NJ Suburbs and State police need to be cut by 50% (salaries, tax)

[CaptainNJ]

Originally Posted by FlyersFan

I'm sure theres a few homeless people living under the highway overpass and a few high school dropouts working at McDonalds that might be interested and probably a few of those mall cops and security guards too.....is that who you want patrolling your roads and protecting you ???
Why not have a few desperate unemployed fathers of large families fight it out for the privlidge of working for the minimum or vastly reduced wages you seem to think their lives are worth ?

i could find someone to take a cops job, do it better than the cops do it, do it cheaper and bill them out and make a profit on top of that.

[CaptainNJ]

Originally Posted by NJ07035

But you can say that about pretty much any job.

And the execs from all the banking and investment (and oil, and construction, and import/export, and automotive, and hospital administration, etc.)companies dwarf even the highest paid member of any police force. But we see how their corruption, lack of ethics and their poor people and management skills has played out on the front page and the financial pages for years.

maybe these days you can say that about a lot of jobs but generally speaking in the private sector the job pays the least it has to in order to attract and keep the right talent.

your second part is a tangent that is probably best not to go into in this thread. needless to say, i disagree with your premise and i couldnt care less if people in the private sector earn more and you think they dont deserve it. private sector wages are set in a fair manner, public arent.

[tahiti]

Originally Posted by CaptainNJ

what does this mean? i am relatively young i suppose so i dont have tons of experience but most people i see working over 28 years dont earn more than 100k a year.

what industry?

[CaptainNJ]

Originally Posted by tahiti

what industry?

i wouldnt even apply is just to my industry. i feel like the vast majority of people i run into on a daily basis do not earn over 100k if they worked over 28 years and if they havent yet worked that long, they wont earn 100k when they do.

most of the people im closer to will because i grew up in a relatively wealthy town and went to an expensive college. however, when we look outside our bubble, people arent making that much money. i think spending time checking city data's average household income information for many towns and cities would show people that reality.

the cops in nyc will but those meter maids are overpaid at the $10 an hour they make. they are minimum wage equivalent people. even working for the city i doubt they will make it to 100k in 30 years.

[FlyersFan]

Originally Posted by CaptainNJ

i could find someone to take a cops job, do it better than the cops do it, do it cheaper and bill them out and make a profit on top of that.

So.....why aren't you doing it and making big dollars.....talk is cheap.

[rscalzo]

went to an expensive college

Get your tuition back. Your posts here reflect that of a sixth grader. Based on those posts, I'm guessing your industry is Fast Food.

Come on now. Admit it....this is really you at your high paying job....
Ding Fries Are Done!!

[JohnZ963]

This is one of the reasons why I left NJ. A cop every 100 feet in a township that hasn't had a murder or rape in 30 years. They sit around all day trying to bust you for doing 36 in a 35, or stopping 6 inches past the stop bar. Or trying to nail you for DUI because you took one sip of wine. I had no desire to continue to live in a police state like that. They could cut the number of state troopers and small township cops by 50% and it's still too many. It wasn't like that 20 years ago. I have no idea how it got to be this way. In the 1980s my small township police department had three 4-year old Caprice cruisers. There were two cops on duty during daytime/evening and one on late at night. Now it's 4 on duty during day and two at night. Now they have 4 Crown Vics, 2 Explorers, an Expedition, a motorcycle, and a boat. Population growth has been maybe 20% since then, and definately more higher income than it used to be.

[NJ07035]

Originally Posted by CaptainNJ

maybe these days you can say that about a lot of jobs but generally speaking in the private sector the job pays the least it has to in order to attract and keep the right talent.

your second part is a tangent that is probably best not to go into in this thread. needless to say, i disagree with your premise and i couldnt care less if people in the private sector earn more and you think they dont deserve it. private sector wages are set in a fair manner, public arent.

Not a tangent...
You are comparing the top salaries earned by top-paid cops (and their collective lack of morals and ethics) to the private sector. I posed that there are any number of people in the private sector that dwarf police salaries, and whose methods of earning that money (on the backs of shareholders, draining pension plans, etc.) is every bit as bad as your perception of how cops earn their pay. While most are ethical (as are a high 90th percentile of police), many of these people have not earned their pay in a 'fair manner' - unless white collar crime is your idea of fairness.

In fact, it is negotiated how much police earn, so it is much easier to 'follow the money' in their case to see where the money is going.

Who saw the salary structures for Enron, Madoff, etc.?

Your broad-brush application of judgement against the police (and apparently teachers) fails to pick up thousands of private sector members. Or are you just against public servants getting their negotiated pay scale?

[NJ07035]

Originally Posted by CaptainNJ

the cops in nyc will but those meter maids are overpaid at the $10 an hour they make. they are minimum wage equivalent people. even working for the city i doubt they will make it to 100k in 30 years.

So, is there ANYONE in the public sector who is at their proper pay scale?

[CaptainNJ]

Originally Posted by FlyersFan

So.....why aren't you doing it and making big dollars.....talk is cheap.

because the government has monopolized the business. what kind of silly question is this? if a local government wants to put out an RFP to hire an agency to replace their police force then id look into it.