NJ Suburbs and State police need to be cut by 50% (unemployed, construction)

[gradstudent77]

Originally Posted by tahiti

bunch? 2 out of 24. average service for a tenafly cop/fire making 100K+ is slightly over 18 years.

eta - this includes firemen so honestly i don't know who is a cop and who is not.

Every officer at that seniority level makes that much, though. Furthermore, I don't think tfly is exceptional in its police compensation. Do you think that demarest, emerson, westwood or park ridge pay much less??

[tahiti]

Originally Posted by gradstudent77

Every officer at that seniority level makes that much, though. Furthermore, I don't think tfly is exceptional in its police compensation. Do you think that demarest, emerson, westwood or park ridge pay much less??

you said a bunch make 100K after 8 years - it's 2, and we don't even know if they are cops or firemen. you said to look at tenafly as an example of excessive salaries, and now you're saying it isn't exceptional in its' police compensation?

i have no flipping clue about these other bergen county towns. i'm only working with the theories you're putting out there.

[gradstudent77]

Originally Posted by tahiti

you said a bunch make 100K after 8 years - it's 2, and we don't even know if they are cops or firemen. you said to look at tenafly as an example of excessive salaries, and now you're saying it isn't exceptional in its' police compensation?

i have no flipping clue about these other bergen county towns. i'm only working with the theories you're putting out there.

I said a bunch make it because there are none at that experience level that make less. I'd bet that if we expanded our search to include all towns with similar socio-economic structures, we'd see that it is fairly typical to make that much after that many years in one of these towns.

I used Tenafly as an example that all (at least, most) northern bergen county police officers are paid a lot. Tenafly is not excpetional compared to its neighbors and peers, while still being excpetional compared to much of the state and most of the country.

[jimsgunshop]

I strongly agree, but I don't think the taxpayers in a lot of these areas do. I don't mind the police presence, so much as I mind the fact that each officer is making more than $65k and they top out into the low $100's for patrolling towns where they do not face much if any danger. This is true, at least, in my part of the state-bergen county, according to an article I read in The Record last summer.


Guess if the Bergen Record said it it has to be true!!!! the bottom line if you want to be policed by people of the same background as you people who live in your area your gonna have to pay them enough to live there!!! i guess you could go the route of NYPD pay your officers a sub standard wage and see what you get!!! NYPD loses thousands of offiers per year to the suburbs!!! you get what you pay for!!!

[tahiti]

Originally Posted by gradstudent77

I said a bunch make it because there are none at that experience level that make less. I'd bet that if we expanded our search to include all towns with similar socio-economic structures, we'd see that it is fairly typical to make that much after that many years in one of these towns.

I used Tenafly as an example that all (at least, most) northern bergen county police officers are paid a lot. Tenafly is not excpetional compared to its neighbors and peers, while still being excpetional compared to much of the state and most of the country.

how do you know that? I'll give you country, but state? what stats do you have to back that up?

btw - emerson peeps making 100K+ have an average of 28 yrs service, and there are 8 of them (cops and fire). least amount of service making 100k+ is 21 years. in demarest - 3 are making 100K plus with a average service of 20 yrs.

[CaptainNJ]

even if its after 28 years of service is it justified? what would the equivalent person in the private sector be making today after 28 years working?

[gradstudent77]

Originally Posted by tahiti

how do you know that? I'll give you country, but state? what stats do you have to back that up?

btw - emerson peeps making 100K+ have an average of 28 yrs service, and there are 8 of them (cops and fire). least amount of service making 100k+ is 21 years. in demarest - 3 are making 100K plus with a average service of 20 yrs.

For demarest, I'm getting 7 making over $100k with that avg service of 20yrs. That is splitting hairs, though, as there are four guys who make between 99,300 and 99,800 who average 9 years.

As for it being exceptional compared to state numbers, I just hoped so. Are you telling me this sort of compensation is fairly prevalent throughout the state?

[gradstudent77]

Originally Posted by jimsgunshop

I strongly agree, but I don't think the taxpayers in a lot of these areas do. I don't mind the police presence, so much as I mind the fact that each officer is making more than $65k and they top out into the low $100's for patrolling towns where they do not face much if any danger. This is true, at least, in my part of the state-bergen county, according to an article I read in The Record last summer.


Guess if the Bergen Record said it it has to be true!!!! the bottom line if you want to be policed by people of the same background as you people who live in your area your gonna have to pay them enough to live there!!! i guess you could go the route of NYPD pay your officers a sub standard wage and see what you get!!! NYPD loses thousands of offiers per year to the suburbs!!! you get what you pay for!!!

I don't see why police who patrol Upper Saddle River need to live in the town. What's wrong with commuting from Elmwood Park, Ringwood or even Paterson?

[CaptainNJ]

Originally Posted by jimsgunshop

the bottom line if you want to be policed by people of the same background as you people who live in your area your gonna have to pay them enough to live there!!!!

i remember this was something the teachers brainwashed the kids to believe when i was growing up in marlboro. that its horrible that the teachers cant afford to live in the town that they teach in. give me a break. you want to afford to live in marlboro then dont be a teacher (or live with your parents in marlboro). lots of people commute from one town to a more expensive town, thats life. some of the stuff that i remember about that teacher's brainwashed us when we were kids infuriates me.

[gradstudent77]

Originally Posted by CaptainNJ

i remember this was something the teachers brainwashed the kids to believe when i was growing up in marlboro. that its horrible that the teachers cant afford to live in the town that they teach in. give me a break. you want to afford to live in marlboro then dont be a teacher (or live with your parents in marlboro). lots of people commute from one town to a more expensive town, thats life. some of the stuff that i remember about that teacher's brainwashed us when we were kids infuriates me.

Also, I don't know if its like this everywhere, but in one of the public schools I went to, a teacher's children could go to school in the district they taught in. So, live in Englewood, but have your children attend Tenafly schools...pretty good deal, if you ask me.