Irvington NJ (Newark, Elizabeth, Union: assessment, gangs, bills)

[diva360]

Originally Posted by ReluctantGardenStater

Ignorance at its finest. You know nothing of my motivations, my life, and my dealings and experiences in this part of the state.

I've been to Irvington enough times by far to know that I could not in good faith recommend the area as a place to frequent, look for work in, or really spend any amount of time in. It's funny you paint my views on the subject as ethno-centrism when you know nothing of my ethnicity, race, or general background.

It is not as if Irvington is a three hour drive from my home. Of course I have had several experiences inside the town, although I have admittedly tried to limit those as much as possible in the past few years. One example: I used to stop by Irvington for a quick meal as I would sometimes frequent the White Castle I went to in town when I was young. The fact that I could not even enjoy this miniscule activity without walking out of the building several years ago to find a cracked-out young black woman shaking and rocking back and forth on her knees in the parking lot by my car was plenty for me to say "enough is enough".

I'm curious as to what you believe my motive is, besides warning other residents of the state and the nation of a degenerative, rowdy sinkhole passing itself off as a town.

If your goal is to prove that a "town" proven several times over to be a festering hotbed of criminal activity is actually "not all that bad" then you're going to be unsuccesful.

From my point of view, I would say who cares if there are drug addicts here and there around you. If you're not in the market for what they are buying or selling, they want nothing to do with you because you have nothing to offer them, and their presence or absence has nothing to do with your safety. Just the presence of a so-called "young black woman shaking back and forth on her knees" is not threatening--what's so scary about someone, and, a woman, as you said, who is so shaky? Could she really hurt you? I wish instead we all would start worrying about all the white collar criminals among us who actually engage in actions that hurt us: they rob our retirement accounts, pilfer our insurance contracts, bribe the lobbyists who are supposed to stand in for our representatives, and, on top of that, they are the ones who through redlining and other means have created a minority working underclass to start with, and that started in the 19th century. Every time you see a prostitute or a crack dealer, see J.P. Morgan.

BTW, I'm a white girl who has lived all over--I've never felt more unsafe than I did when I lived by a bunch of frat houses in an upper midwest university town.

NewarkM-quiet as its kept, white people do commit crimes, a fact I'm sure you are thoroughly acquainted with. The crimes they commit are, in fact, sometimes quite violent, and people might even say they were committed by bloodthirsty animals. I'm hoping the quoting coding comes through ok. You'll rec me, right?

[RobRiguez]

[quote=NEWARK MAGIC;10487236]In those 34 years you never figured out that Irvington is in Essex County, not Union?
[quote]I never said anything about it being in Union County.

[CaptainNJ]

Originally Posted by NEWARK MAGIC

So what happens now is.... CaptainNJ will try to "come-back" at me with a guileful post filled with specious claims and gelastic innuendo because he feels foiled.

this sounds like comic book narration.

i didnt claim you are affiliated with anger. i do claim that he is the only other person here defending irvington and he is making a claim that you are opposed to. you choose not to challenge his claim, because you have placed yourself on his side. otherwise id assume you would challenge his statement of fact that irvington is a bad town.

this argument has gotten ridiculous. your position is already totally destroyed.

[CaptainNJ]

Originally Posted by diva360

From my point of view, I would say who cares if there are drug addicts here and there around you.

you have a very different point of view than mine.

[CaptainNJ]

Originally Posted by diva360

I wish instead we all would start worrying about all the white collar criminals among us who actually engage in actions that hurt us: they rob our retirement accounts, pilfer our insurance contracts, bribe the lobbyists who are supposed to stand in for our representatives, and, on top of that, they are the ones who through redlining and other means have created a minority working underclass to start with, and that started in the 19th century. Every time you see a prostitute or a crack dealer, see J.P. Morgan.

wow, what a load of crap. bribing lobbyists? that doesnt even make sense.

[diva360]

@captain NJ: are you saying corporations don't "bribe" (hire) lobbyists to protect their interests? I wasn't saying we do, I was saying that well-moneyed parties do. If you deny the latter, then I will have to say that what you say is, as you put it, a "load of crap."

[CaptainNJ]

Originally Posted by diva360

@captain NJ: are you saying corporations don't "bribe" (hire) lobbyists to protect their interests? I wasn't saying we do, I was saying that well-moneyed parties do. If you deny the latter, then I will have to say that what you say is, as you put it, a "load of crap."

they hire lobbyists and they bribe politicians.

its silly to attack white collar criminals because you want to defend drug addicts and violent criminals. just some silly class warfare.

[NEWARK MAGIC]

Originally Posted by RobRiguez

IMO Irvington started getting "bad" in the early 90s. In my 34 years on the planet Ive never known it to be a "nice place to live". Sure it was ok and safer than it is today but its always been the slum of Hillside and Union.

So, 18 years in and around Irvington? I spent 30 in Elizabeth and in and around all parts of the state, even dated a girl that lived off Chancellor Ave for about a year. So I have a little more experience on the area and even I say its a S***-hole.

I wouldnt say MY white suburban crowd. I may be light skinned but I'm Latino and only a suburbanite for about 4.5 years.

So you assume no-one else 'gets around' as you call it?

[quote=RobRiguez;10493887][quote=NEWARK MAGIC;10487236]In those 34 years you never figured out that Irvington is in Essex County, not Union?

I never said anything about it being in Union County.

If you claim that you never said it was in Union County, then could you explain what you meant by the first boldfaced passage?

[RobRiguez]

Originally Posted by NEWARK MAGIC

If you claim that you never said it was in Union County, then could you explain what you meant by the first boldfaced passage?

Irvington is on the borders of the towns of Hillside and Union.

[NEWARK MAGIC]

Originally Posted by CaptainNJ

this sounds like comic book narration.

i didnt claim you are affiliated with anger. i do claim that he is the only other person here defending irvington and he is making a claim that you are opposed to. you choose not to challenge his claim, because you have placed yourself on his side. otherwise id assume you would challenge his statement of fact that irvington is a bad town.

this argument has gotten ridiculous. your position is already totally destroyed.

Still defending, denying, and deflecting. Hey CaptainNJ: this is a debate not a fight!

Just because your feelings got hurt by my previous post does not automatically mean that you have to submit a corybantic post attempting to hurt mine. I would not know if my post sounds like a comic book narrative because I don't read comic books. I guess it is normal for you to compare things to what you are familiar with.

How can my "position" be destroyed if it is an opinion? You do know that this is America and I have the right to present opinion and thought? You can consider it destroyed in your narrow and intolerant mind and feel comfortable doing such. Congratulations!

There you go still claiming I am "defending" Irvington. Funny how you give yourself so much innate power that you think that I have to withstand your opinions and vindicate mine. That is the epitome of self-righteous bigotry. Who are you? Wait, I guess the correct question would be: How old are you?

You have become so deluded at this point that you think that I need to just blatantly oppose anyone who doesn't like Irvington or thinks it is dangerous! No, Captain! I am only "opposing" the two people who I think are racists: you and ReluctantGardenStater! For example: RobRiguez posted that Irvington was a slum, fine; but he gave his opinion as an opinion, and left it at that. You and Reluctant, on the other hand, have taken it a step further. You injected lies, rhetoric, hyperbole, ethno-centrist language, and intolerance along with your opinion, which causes me to think that you two gentlemen are racists. So sorry if you have been deluded during this whole thread, but I have not been opposing everyone who has made dyslogistic comments about Irvington, so why should I start with Angerinthenation? Go back and read through the thread and show me proof where I have opposed every person who has made negative comments about Irvington? There are plenty of people who have made negative comments but you will not find a rebuttal from me following them because they were not bigotted and racially insensetive posts; just yours and Reluctantgardenstater's.

I was mistaken throughout the thread in thinking that you knew that I was opposing RACISTS who say something disparaging about Irvington. Not just anyone who does. So I hope you can understand my motif a little better now.

Just for the record: You are obviously a person who has a better than intermediate handle on the English language, and you present your beguiling argument well; however, I just find it more than sad that an evidently well-read person is so intolerant.