New York but I'm from New Jersey Giants/Jets (Newark: credit, live)

[66nexus]

Originally Posted by cyntmac

The fact that we are posting on this forum (in many cases bothering to respond to totally bogus posts) is evidence of some kind of loyalty. Anyone who is wasting time with envy for another state should really just move to that state. It is really the most idiotic thing and should be outlawed. How anyone could think that this is a legit issue impacting the political/economic climate is beyond me. Just a way to ignore the real issues? I wouldn't waste time paying this any attention. Another divert and switch tactic.

I'll just be honest. The only reason I think that the assemblymen are introducing this bill is because those 3 teams: Giants, Jets, Red Bulls use the NY name but NY doesn't see any money for it. The fans cross the river, the taxes go to Jersey...We could all act like it isn't a big issue, but it has been 2 days and there's a lot of noise about it. With the teams so adamant about keeping their current name-status, I really do think it's possible that the 'Harrison Metrocentre' is facing potential danger. Maybe not...but then Maybe SO. Hell, maybe it is a divert and switch tactic...

As far as bogus posts no idea. All I do know is that I for one, simply wanted to see how people felt about it...

[cyntmac]

I'm not saying that this thread is bogus but the NJ forums (and NY forum for that matter) are filled with troll threads. Also, New Yorkers are known for being very critical of NY. They do not have unwavering pride. Upstaters are often self-hating and many city people are quick to fault their home. Outside of the NY area the "pride" that you may notice from transplants has to do more with people and less with place. Notice how so many transplants say they would never move back. I think there are many generalizations being made here. You can love that you grew up in a place w/o really loving that place in present tense. That would describe many people from the Northeastern U.S.- NJ included.

[christina0001]

I think there are many NJ'ers who have no NJ pride. They live here because NJ residents think there is nothing outside of the NYC-metro area and perhaps California; the rest of the country (in their ignorant minds) is uncivilized, uneducated, backcountry. And within the super expensive NYC-metro area, NJ is the cheapest option. So they are not proud to live here; they are here because it's the most affordable choice in an overpriced, overcrowded area.

[cyntmac]

How can you explain so many NJ peeps in the southwest/northwest US, Florida, Texas, even the Chicago area? Anywhere I have lived actually there are a good number of NJ people-especially young single people. The idea of NJ as an inexpensive option is in the minds of a minority of people in the state. Mostly in the minds of people in southern NJ I think. None of the people that I know of (who grew up in NJ) actually think in those terms. That is why when they start becoming independent (making their own $$) they often choose places to live out of the area entirely. Lower income folk are the only folk who think NJ is a cheaper option and these days many of them think otherwise as reality for them is very different today.

[recycled]

When I lived in North Jersey in the 1990s, went to quite a few events at the Meadowlands and in NYC too. If I happened to get game tickets, I might tell someone that I was going to see the Nets, Devils, Yankees, Giants or whatever team it was. Never said "I'm going to see the New Jersey Devils" or "New York Giants who play in New Jersey".
Here is southern cal, we have a ball team officially called "Los Angeles Angels of Anaheim" who play in a Stadium in Orange County, CA about 35 miles south of downtown LA. What kind of politically correct name is that, they should have just left em simply as the Anaheim Angels. Pretty much the same predicament as trying to name the pro teams that play in NJ, but whose name says "NY". Hopefully youz guyz can do better than the genius who re-named the Angels.

[66nexus]

At the very least, the Jets and Giants have a history in NJ, but the Red Bulls?? That 'Los Angeles Angels of Anaheim' title is terrible. I know someone could have come up with a better name than that...
The funny thing is that this bill is coming from the NY side, technically, it's out of our hands. The teams should come up with something more 'tristate' like New England Pat's, but then...what the hell would they call it? Tri-state Giants? Metro Jets? Tristate Titans sounds like a hockey team

[JerseyDevil]

I for one don't think this is a stupid discussion. Contrary to what one person mentioned - a lack of pride in New Jersey is one of the reasons why New Jersey has the problems it has. I have lived in six states, but grew up in New Jersey. When I lived here then, I didn't appreciate it. When I moved to Indiana and saw how much pride they had in their teams and their state, I didn't understand it and thought it was stupid. Then I moved back to New Jersey. Started looking at how things are done here and why. When people don't have pride in where they live - there is no reason for them to make it better. They see no need to fight for it. I fight for New Jersey everyday through my business - http://www.AboutNewJersey.com . One of the things I routinely fight against is the fact that New Jersey doesn't get the recognition that it deserves.

Because New Jerseyans just look at New Jersey as an extension of New York - our politicians are working at building a second billion dollar rail tunnel into Manhattan. Technically they are exporting New Jersey jobs across the river, instead of working at attracting those same business over here to Jersey City, Newark, Camden. Trenton, etc. New Jersey could use those rateables. New Jersey is losing it's identity, if it has not already lost it. People have actually insisted to me that New Jersey is part of New York - they didn't even know it was a separate state.

It is irritating that we forgave $126 million to the Giants and will spent many tens of millions of dollars on infrastructure improvements, not to mention that under the new contract we gave up any profits from concert sales or concession stand sales - while only charging the Giants $5 million a year. We just spent $100 million in our tax money to buy the land for the Jets where they will be building their practice field and moving their headquaters. With the Red Bulls - we spent $85 million of our tax money for their new stadium - yet NONE of these teams respect us enough to put NJ on their uniforms. I say if any team wants to play in NJ - they should wear NJ on their uniforms and carry it on their name. I'm proud to be a New Jerseyan.

It's funny how the jets bad mouthed New Jersey while they were trying to get the west-side stadium built - but had their hand out to NJ when they had to "settle" for New Jersey. It's ironic that while the Giants were doing their pres conference announcing how happy they were to be staying in New Jersey and building the new stadium - they have "NY" plastered all over behind them.

We have a messageboard (you can see the link if you go into my profile) at our site and it was through searching for "NJ Jets" through Google that I discovered this one. There are several threads there that talk about the Giants, Jets and Red Bulls, as well as many other issues of New Jersey pride. As I said, I have lived in six states and it was while I was living in Oregon and hearing numerous ignorant negative comments that my pride in New Jersey truly surfaced. If you don't have any pride in your home state - then there is a feeling there is no sense in needing to make it better. Because of my pride - I want to make a difference and that includes fighting to get the recognition for what are New JERSEY teams..

[cyntmac]

I don't agree with most of that. People who grow up in North NJ may see themselves as an extention of NY but what about the rest of the state? People in states with high population density do laugh when the subject of state pride comes up. It's because they don't look at the world in those terms. It's the "local yocal" view that you frequently see down south for example.

Just because you don't run around babbling about local sports teams does not mean you don't take care of your surroundings. In some people's view that narrowness is a big turn off. Most people I encounter in my travels see the world in much broader terms. And I'm talking about people from all over really. Just because I don't follow locals teams or read the local news on a daily basis-I have no pride?

Do you tell NY state residents that problems there are due to a lack of pride? Think about how that sounds. Most of the problems in NJ like NY are due to economics not pride.

[JerseyDevil]

Originally Posted by cyntmac

I don't agree with most of that. People who grow up in North NJ may see themselves as an extention of NY but what about the rest of the state? People in states with high population density do laugh when the subject of state pride comes up. It's because they don't look at the world in those terms. It's the "local yocal" view that you frequently see down south for example.

Just because you don't run around babbling about local sports teams does not mean you don't take care of your surroundings. In some people's view that narrowness is a big turn off. Most people I encounter in my travels see the world in much broader terms. And I'm talking about people from all over really. Just because I don't follow locals teams or read the local news on a daily basis-I have no pride?

Do you tell NY state residents that problems there are due to a lack of pride? Think about how that sounds. Most of the problems in NJ like NY are due to economics not pride.

I never said that pride solved all problems - but many of New Jersey's problems are because people really don't care too much about where they live.

You can discount pride all you want and say it's simplistic. However, I lived in Indiana, Chicago Illinois, San Diego California, Portland Oregon, West Virginia and New Jersey. The first five had great pride in where they lived - and the things the represented their state. In addition to living in six states - I've been to 40 states - that does not include ones where I simply landed at an airport.

A sense of Pride is important.

As for your comment about the southern part of the state - I agree - for them it's Philadelphia they associate with - not New York. I however - associate with New Jersey - and don't care one bit about New York or Philadelphia. New Jersey is my home.

As I've explored this forum further - I have observed that it is mostly made up of the usual New Jersey haters with some prideful New Jerseyans thrown in.

New York has the "I Love New York" slogan that is plastered all over the place - but you tell me that pride has no affect on economy. Well you know what - that "I Love NY" slogan brings in billions to the state economy every year. It's funny too - because that "I Love NY" slogan was unveiled when the only things that loved NY were the prostitutes, drug dealers and the dog sized rats that used to infest the Times Square area. Today you can't go anywhere without seeing someone wearing something with that slogan on it. It was through a sense of pride that NY was able to turn itself around - and get people to see a better NY. New York was a thousand times worse than what Newark is today - but no one really remembers that New York anymore. Pride is important and it's sad that New Jerseyans just don't see it or care. Without pride - you get graffiti covered subway cars like they had during the 70's. BTW - it's technically the New York State slogan - but everyone basically associates it with the city.

Other states get the marketing and PR - and how it affects the economy of the state. New Jersey seems to be very ignorant of this. Rutgers is finding out how one winning season in football has a direct affect on people interested in attending the school and thus its bottom line. Tours for potential students was up 75%. Now not only does that affect Rutgers - but it also has an affect on the NJ economy and especially the New Brunswick area economy - most of those people interested are out of state - when they come for those tours - they have to stay at hotels, eat at restaurants, spend money in New Jersey - this all goes back into the New Jersey economy.

When things happening in New Jersey are marketed as New York - such as the recent Live Earth concert - New York gets this marketing and PR benefit and thus their economy benefits by people wanting to visit there. Yeah - we may have benefited as the concert was going on - but the residual affect is where the money really is at. It's riidiculous that events that take place in New Jersey - such as the American Idoll auditions are marketed as New York events. American Idol went so far as having New Jerseyans make statements indicating that they were in New York and not in New Jersey while Live Earth's website actually said the Meadowlands was IN New YORK.

[cyntmac]

Originally Posted by JerseyDevil

I never said that pride solved all problems - but many of New Jersey's problems are because people really don't care too much about where they live.

As for your comment about the southern part of the state - I agree - for them it's Philadelphia they associate with - not New York. I however - associate with New Jersey - and don't care one bit about New York or Philadelphia. New Jersey is my home.

New York has the "I Love New York" slogan that is plastered all over the place - but you tell me that pride has no affect on economy. Well you know what - that "I Love NY" slogan brings in billions to the state economy every year. It's funny too - because that "I Love NY" slogan was unveiled when the only things that loved NY were the prostitutes, drug dealers and the dog sized rats that used to infest the Times Square area. You almsot go anywhere without seeing someone with something that has that slogan on it. It was through a sense of pride that NY was able to turn itself around - and get people to see a better NY. New York was a thousand times worse than what Newark is today - but no one really remembers that New York anymore. Pride is important and it's sad that New Jerseyans just don't see it or care.

Other states get the marketing and PR - and how it affects the economy of the state. New Jersey seems to be very ignorant of this.

Most of this I just don't buy. New York did not turn around because of clever slogan useage. $$$ in the right pockets is what "turned New York around" but since I don't really agree that it was a turnaround that benefitted everyone-I won't waste time dissecting it here. I lived there from the mid 80's until 1999 and there is no way that local pride brought about the changes you are referencing. The NYC of today benefits tourists, big business and the very wealthy for the most part and yes- at the expense of most long time residents.

I have also lived in San Diego and I don't feel that people there care more about their surroundings than Joe average in central NJ. I saw nothing to indicate this. So many San Diegans are transplants anyway. We must travel in very different circles.

How on earth can you compare Newark to NYC? That makes no sense at all. There is no way the NYC of 20 years ago was anything like Newark. That is just nuts. The people who don't remember what the old New York was like are obviously the people who never lived there. Crediting slogans and pride for the changes is like crediting santa claus or the tooth fairy.

NJ is not Indiana and people in NJ do have an identity. The state is unusual in many ways and being in the shadows of two large cities is part of that and has been since the beginning of time.

People actually thinking that NY and NJ are the same state is not the result of a lack of pride-more like an indictment of the U.S. educational system.