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Old 11-24-2009, 01:05 PM
 
Location: Historic Downtown Jersey City
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So I just got back from California, where, just like in NY State, you can purchase beer and wine in a supermarket, deli, even at 7-11. Actually, the 7-11's in Santa Barbara had GREAT wine selections, and a decent craft beer selection, local microbrews, etc.

What gives? Why can't this occurr in NJ?

I know the answer will be state laws, but...really, fundamentally, why can't this be changed?? Is there some underlying reason as to why?
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Old 11-24-2009, 01:17 PM
 
Location: Brooklyn, NY
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I saw in a Shoprite ad or another circular they throw on your porch, think it was a supermarket in North Bergen, that you can buy wine, beer and liquor there.

Quite shocking when you are from NY and have to go to a liquor store for those things.
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Old 11-24-2009, 01:27 PM
 
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i don't think that there is any law preventing a grocery store from selling beer/wine etc. It just has to do with the fact that liquor licenses in nj are ridiculously expensive.

this is also the reason that nj is the home of byob restaurants.
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Old 11-24-2009, 01:32 PM
 
Location: Historic Downtown Jersey City
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i don't think that there is any law preventing a grocery store from selling beer/wine etc. It just has to do with the fact that liquor licenses in nj are ridiculously expensive.

this is also the reason that nj is the home of byob restaurants.
But how would a liquor license be more expensive than NY...specifically NYC?
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Old 11-24-2009, 01:39 PM
 
Location: Ocean County
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There's no law in New Jersey that states supermarkets can't sell beer or wine. In fact, some do. However, each supermarket company is only allowed to have one or two stores that sell it. So, if there are 100 A&Ps or Pathmarks in New Jersey, only those two can sell beer/wine. There IS pending legislation to change this in the legislature right now, but with our legislators being bankrolled by the likes of MADD and other similar groups, I don't have much hope it will pass. Now, even if it WERE to pass, there's still the local licensing issue.

As far as liquor licenses, this is a big problem in New Jersey. The number of liquor licenses a town is allowed to issue is based on population. So, if you're a small town, you only get a few. Larger towns get more. And the towns are also allowed to sell the licenses at auction to the highest bidder, which can push them up to $500K for a single license! In addition to that, once you already own a license and close your restaurant/store, you can then "pocket" the license and when you want to, sell it at your OWN auction to the highest bidder. In other words, it's a mess.

As far as 7-11s and gas stations go, I think it's just an old-style law that goes back to the prohibition days. Why nobody will propose changing it, I don't know. If you want to feel a little bit better about things, try going over to Pennsylvania. To buy a six pack, 30 pack and a bottle of wine, you'd have to go to three different stores licensed to sell each type. In New York, however, you just apply to the state and, if you qualify and the area is properly zoned for bars/restaurants, you'll be granted a license at a standard issuing fee.
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Old 11-24-2009, 02:47 PM
 
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But how would a liquor license be more expensive than NY...specifically NYC?
Supply and demand. MA is the same as NJ.
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Old 11-24-2009, 02:54 PM
 
Location: In the woods
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. . . If you want to feel a little bit better about things, try going over to Pennsylvania. To buy a six pack, 30 pack and a bottle of wine, you'd have to go to three different stores licensed to sell each type.
Even better, try buying liquor in the State of Virginia. The first time I wanted to buy a bottle of rum, I asked where the liquor stores. Everyone directed me to the nearest ABC Store (Alcohol Beverage Control) which is run by the State. Sorry ass little shops with limited, expensive stock. Going back to NJ with its massive liquor stores was like being in Candyland (well, sort of).

Beer and wine in VA, however are sold in the supermarkets.
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Old 11-24-2009, 02:58 PM
 
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There's no law in New Jersey that states supermarkets can't sell beer or wine. In fact, some do. However, each supermarket company is only allowed to have one or two stores that sell it. So, if there are 100 A&Ps or Pathmarks in New Jersey, only those two can sell beer/wine. There IS pending legislation to change this in the legislature right now, but with our legislators being bankrolled by the likes of MADD and other similar groups, I don't have much hope it will pass. Now, even if it WERE to pass, there's still the local licensing issue.

As far as liquor licenses, this is a big problem in New Jersey. The number of liquor licenses a town is allowed to issue is based on population. So, if you're a small town, you only get a few. Larger towns get more. And the towns are also allowed to sell the licenses at auction to the highest bidder, which can push them up to $500K for a single license! In addition to that, once you already own a license and close your restaurant/store, you can then "pocket" the license and when you want to, sell it at your OWN auction to the highest bidder. In other words, it's a mess.

As far as 7-11s and gas stations go, I think it's just an old-style law that goes back to the prohibition days. Why nobody will propose changing it, I don't know. If you want to feel a little bit better about things, try going over to Pennsylvania. To buy a six pack, 30 pack and a bottle of wine, you'd have to go to three different stores licensed to sell each type. In New York, however, you just apply to the state and, if you qualify and the area is properly zoned for bars/restaurants, you'll be granted a license at a standard issuing fee.
I thought there was some kind of law against this, in my limited experiance in NJ any supermarket that sells beer or wine does it in a seperate section of the store. The liquor department has it's own entrance and you can't pay for your groceries at those registers and you can't take your liquor from that part of the store and pay for it with your groceries. In NY there is usually an aisle by the refriderators that sells cold beer and sometimes they have wine there.
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Old 11-24-2009, 04:17 PM
 
Location: Ocean County
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I thought there was some kind of law against this, in my limited experiance in NJ any supermarket that sells beer or wine does it in a seperate section of the store. The liquor department has it's own entrance and you can't pay for your groceries at those registers and you can't take your liquor from that part of the store and pay for it with your groceries. In NY there is usually an aisle by the refriderators that sells cold beer and sometimes they have wine there.
You're correct. There's no law against supermarkets selling beer or wine, and I don't believe there are any regulations about checkout, but from what I recall the law mandates some type of "divider" between the supermarket section and the liquor section.
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Old 11-24-2009, 04:18 PM
 
Location: Ocean County
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Even better, try buying liquor in the State of Virginia. The first time I wanted to buy a bottle of rum, I asked where the liquor stores. Everyone directed me to the nearest ABC Store (Alcohol Beverage Control) which is run by the State. Sorry ass little shops with limited, expensive stock. Going back to NJ with its massive liquor stores was like being in Candyland (well, sort of).

Beer and wine in VA, however are sold in the supermarkets.
Ahh, true. Same with the Pennsylvania ABC stores. When I lived in Florida, however, it was great. They have both private liquor stores as well as the state ABC stores and they compete. The state ABC stores even have discount cards and drive-through lanes (I only know one place in NJ that does drive-through, it's in Brick Twp.) and the prices were pretty good from what I remember. The ABC store in Tampa I used to go to was beautiful and huge!
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