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Old 12-17-2009, 04:56 AM
 
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The KKK is not the issue here. It's not even in play. Segregated schools and racial steering are a reality but those fringe groups are not the cause. Every one of these threads mentions Al Sharpton and the fabled kkk and supposed kkk towns. LOL.

The part of the country with the most integrated schools also probably has the highest active kkk membership. It means nothing today. And though the patriot movement is growing around the country- you can't label all of them "racist". Not saying that there is not an element but it isn't limited to that. The "headquarters" mentioned can be someone's bedroom.

Where did you see on here anyone say that NJ was less racist than nearby states? I missed that.

 
Old 12-17-2009, 08:05 AM
 
Location: NE Tarrant County, TX
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Keep in mind you are posting from Texas where they were still lynching people after the turn of the last century. I don't know about generational but definitely a painful legacy.
You actually make a very interesting point regarding comfort zone: What painful legacy is actually the more comfortable one to accept ? In truth, having been born and raised in Alabama probably makes the southern legacy a more comfortable one for me, personally. That could be enough to make all the difference.

Great point .

-EJS
 
Old 12-17-2009, 08:52 AM
 
Location: Historic Downtown Jersey City
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Many people seem to think that New Jersey is one of the more progressive northeastern states but nothing could be further from the truth. It is an illusion created by people who place too much emphasis on statistics concerning demographics. On paper NJ looks like a wonderful diverse melting pot of cultures. But a more fitting description would be: NJ is a diverse but segregated melting pot of cultures. New Jersey is in the top four states with the most segregated school districts. Now one would say that people tend to stay together and this is not unique to NJ. There is some truth in that statement but it is more prevelant in Jersey. NJ realtors are famous for practicing a phenomena known as racial steering. Not only is socio-economics a great divider here in NJ but race seems to trump being affluent also. There are a large number of upper-middle class black families in NJ. You would not know that if you only looked at the affluent towns in Somerset county. What about the exclusive towns in Essex? You would think you would see more affluent blacks there. You don't because of the scourge of racial steering that is practiced by a majority of real estate agents in NJ. It is an unwritten rule in NJ about where even the majority of well-to-do blacks can live.

New Jersey has a long history of segregation and racism. Even today there are organized and functioning chapters of the Ku Klux Klan in Millville, Manville, and Sayreville. Also, Butler, NJ is where the headquarters of the League of American Patriots is located. They are the group that holds the distinction of circulating the first racist anti-Obama literature, which occured in Roxbury, NJ.

To suggest that NJ is less racist than any other state in the vicinity is either to be ignorant of the facts or it is a vain attempt to paint a rosy picture where it does not exist. The racism here on City-Data's NJ forums is even nonchalant and par-for-the-course. Recently I was reading a thread about someone asking for advice on a town in north Jersey. Someone replied by saying that the crime rate was low and it was a nice town but there where just a few too many hispanics there so they might want to look elsewhere. Now, just so you know, the OP didn't ask about race but the advice giver just assumed they would want to know, and assumed that they would also find hispanics undesirable. That is an example of the ingrained systemic racism that is present in the majority of real estate offices in NJ.
NJ is segregated by economic factors, whether you like it or not. Race is a secondary issue in that discussion, and a whole other ball of wax.
 
Old 12-17-2009, 10:34 AM
 
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>sigh<

The human mind was set up to categorize different observations into individual generalizations in order to make the whole process more efficient.

We see long sharp teeth on a Tiger, it does not matter if we have never seen a tiger before, 99% of humans will run away screaming. The other 1% end up getting injured during a show in LV.

This is all well and good when it comes to living and working. We can derive an objects use by its general appearance. We do not need to have Savant like memory to survive, AAMOF, that kind of direct association can often be a detriment.

Now the problem comes in two folds with this. The first is that general association and categorization. The second comes with our own native pack instinct. We are a visually oriented and driven species. Combine that with our desire to be one of the pack (or leader for a few) and you get the same categorization applied to people as well as things.

Now the really difficult things comes with associations of CULTURE. A persons race has very little to do with most mental faculties (at least nothing in a measurable state). There ARE physical traits, however, and that is not to be ignored. That aside, the asian culture is more scholastically driven, so chances are, an asian kid will most likely do better in school.

Is that because of their race? No. It is because of their parents pushing them and their culture taking it as a disgrace if their child performs poorly.

What about these 1st generation Mexican immigrants? (they are not the only ones displaying this, just the ones that are the most prevalent right now). Do they work harder because they have the genes to do it? No. They do it because they had to do the same to survive back in Mexico.

The problem is, we do not associate things that are directly attributable, we assign everything. Even things that have nothing to do with the genes OR the culture. The other thing that works against true integration are the small negative factions in each race. The stereotypical bad examples from each that give that race its stigmata. This is true in everything (just look at politics!!!).

So here's the problem. Humans are shallow, vapid, visually oriented apes that got over throwing poo at each other, but have still not gotten over throwing other things. The key is to realize our own weakness and try, on an individual level, to treat each and every case in life with a blindfold.

Of course, even with a blindfold, it helps to keep your eyes open!
 
Old 12-17-2009, 11:12 AM
 
Location: Historic Downtown Jersey City
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Ninjahedge is spot on.

The key to overcoming racism is understanding and recognizing that we are all different. We all look different.

It is my opinion that there is way, way too much racial sensitivity. Things are made to be a race issue, when they really, really don't need to be.
 
Old 12-17-2009, 11:14 AM
 
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Can we please get this back on topic? It's not about the sociology or etiology of racism. It's about racism in NJ. If you want to talk about racism theory, please start a thread in 'Politics and Other Controversies.'
 
Old 12-17-2009, 11:17 AM
 
Location: Newark, NJ
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The KKK is not the issue here. It's not even in play. Segregated schools and racial steering are a reality but those fringe groups are not the cause. Every one of these threads mentions Al Sharpton and the fabled kkk and supposed kkk towns. LOL.

The part of the country with the most integrated schools also probably has the highest active kkk membership. It means nothing today. And though the patriot movement is growing around the country- you can't label all of them "racist". Not saying that there is not an element but it isn't limited to that. The "headquarters" mentioned can be someone's bedroom.

Where did you see on here anyone say that NJ was less racist than nearby states? I missed that.


BPerone said it. I never said that those "fringe" groups were the cause. I was trying to point out that even radical racists like the KKK exist in this state because I got the impression that BPerone was trying to claim that New Jersey was devoid of such groups. As you can see in his post below, he states that he is almost sure that NJ is the least racist of the eastern states. My point in mentioning the places in NJ were the KKK exists was to show him that our state is not any more enlightened or progressive in terms of racial harmony, even on such an extreme level as the KKK. The quintessential southern "cracker" definitely has some partners here in the Garden State.

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NJ probably has some racist people like every state does, but I'm pretty damn sure it's less racist than any other eastern state.
 
Old 12-17-2009, 11:37 AM
 
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Mod cut

NJ is no more racist than any other state with people in it. You just see it a bit less focused because of its diversity.

Last edited by Viralmd; 12-17-2009 at 11:50 AM.. Reason: No comments on moderator actions, per TOS.
 
Old 12-17-2009, 02:00 PM
 
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the Ku Klux Klan in Millville
Dude, they're the laughing stock of the area. About two years ago at the Harvest Festival, one of them was arrested for his own protection because people were angry at him for handing out racist literature. The have less influence over here than a blade of grass.
 
Old 12-17-2009, 03:18 PM
 
Location: taxed out of NJ
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I went through hell trying to buy a house in two allegedly upscale areas of Mercer County. I had just as much money, or economic viability, as anyone else there.
Yes, Mercer County, that's where I got those unfair treatments.
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