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Old 01-16-2010, 05:50 PM
 
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lot's of education proficiancy experts in here........................................that sell houses or are in other walks of life and have no credibility on how curriculum is administered, why teachers get paid what they do and who should get paid what. Everyone loves to hate until their job gets attacked. Maybe the couple of real estate agents in here can explain why it was their profession thats partly to blame for the abysmal economy right now. You know, showing 400k houses to families that they clearly knew couldnt afford the house but yet still passed them off to "their loan guy". Id love to see what some of the other's jobs in here are because everyone loves to talk a tough game.....

One thing that will strive under Christie is, there should be more McDonalds and Burger Kings going up. We know one thing he wont be a champion of, that would be healthcare. The states budget crisis could be measured by his pant size.

 
Old 01-16-2010, 05:56 PM
 
Location: New Jersey
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Thank you. Read this and learn, everyone. It seems that whenever a school underperforms, the absolute first thing the teachers say is we need more money.

Not likely....however, I'm sure you hear it from school boards when the school budget is getting voted on......you need to hold the school boards accountable for the budget not the teachers....additionally, in some instances school boards have to provide certain programs like the "no child left behind" program that our good friend George Bush mandated then never funded. Unfortunately no one listens to the teachers as to how money can be saved or programs improved at a reduced cost. The amount of time they spend on mindless paperwork required by the state and other government agencies is just an incredible waste of time that could be better spent teaching.
 
Old 01-16-2010, 05:57 PM
 
Location: Northern NJ
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lot's of education proficiancy experts in here........................................that sell houses or are in other walks of life and have no credibility on how curriculum is administered, why teachers get paid what they do and who should get paid what. Everyone loves to hate until their job gets attacked. Maybe the couple of real estate agents in here can explain why it was their profession thats partly to blame for the abysmal economy right now. You know, showing 400k houses to families that they clearly knew couldnt afford the house but yet still passed them off to "their loan guy". Id love to see what some of the other's jobs in here are because everyone loves to talk a tough game.....

One thing that will strive under Christie is, there should be more McDonalds and Burger Kings going up. We know one thing he wont be a champion of, that would be healthcare. The states budget crisis could be measured by his pant size.
As long as teachers get their salaries from my taxes, I get to comment and set policy.

Last edited by knoxgarden; 01-16-2010 at 06:01 PM.. Reason: personal attack
 
Old 01-16-2010, 05:58 PM
 
Location: Montgomery County, PA
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Wonderful....so a problem student gets to judge a teacher thats been pushing that student all year to do better ?

Thats your great "plan" to judge a teachers ability.....are you serious ???
That's not a complete plan -- it's one component of a plan that is multi-faceted. Obviously you have to take what a student, who may have an axe to grind, writes on an anonymous evaluation with a grain of salt. However, the fact that such things are limited does not mean that they are not informative.

As for your two other points: if one student doesn't improve, it's not the teachers fault, no. But if one teacher's students are consistently on a steeper performance gradient than another teachers, which teacher should be paid more ? The current answer is: whoever has been teaching longer.

You point out that they already have peer review. That's great, but the problem is that it's not used as the primary mechanism for setting compensation, and they can't fire bad teachers because they received mediocre reviews.
 
Old 01-16-2010, 06:06 PM
 
Location: New Jersey
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lot's of education proficiancy experts in here........................................that sell houses or are in other walks of life and have no credibility on how curriculum is administered, why teachers get paid what they do and who should get paid what. Everyone loves to hate until their job gets attacked. Maybe the couple of real estate agents in here can explain why it was their profession thats partly to blame for the abysmal economy right now. You know, showing 400k houses to families that they clearly knew couldnt afford the house but yet still passed them off to "their loan guy". Id love to see what some of the other's jobs in here are because everyone loves to talk a tough game.....
Your right.....too many people with absolutely no knowledge or experience regarding teaching sitting in judgement of teachers offering half baked ideas and theories on how they can do their jobs better ?
 
Old 01-16-2010, 06:07 PM
 
Location: Knoxville, TN
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