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Why should anyone get vacation, holidays, benefits, retirement? Get rid of all of it, pay people minimum wage so the fat cats at the top can make more money and create more jobs (?). I'm with Badfish, this "race to the bottom" mentality is really disturbing and disgusting.
I guarantee you if we all started picking apart what you haters made and the bennies you get you wouldn't like it one bit. Who would like to start and tell us your situation?
As I've posted before, if anyone doesn't like the products and services my private sector employer provides, they are free to stop paying.
This simple but effective remedy is not available to tax payers.
Also, most of these benefits are just fine with the exception of defined benefit plans (I'd be fine with them having 401k plans). Defined benefit plans would be fine if they were ever properly funded, but they never are (you can't "assume" an 8% return into existence -- that assumption offloads a lot of stock market risk onto the tax payer). They are invariably used as a way for politicians to kick the can down the road -- always effective politically, but terrible for tax payers.
Another issue with the benefits is that the systems are clearly being gamed at the tax payers expense. For example, unused sick days are not supposed to be used as a kind of windfall bonus package. They are supposed to be a safety net if the worker gets sick. Few think these workers shouldn't have sick days, what is infuriating is that these policies are being abused at our expense.
Again, nothing wrong with benefits, but the fact that these packages are gamed at the tax payer expense indicates that the politicians weren't very effective advocates for the tax payer when they signed those deals on our behalf.
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Again, nothing wrong with benefits, but the fact that these packages are gamed at the tax payer expense indicates that the politicians weren't very effective advocates for the tax payer when they signed those deals on our behalf.
Why should anyone get vacation, holidays, benefits, retirement? Get rid of all of it, pay people minimum wage so the fat cats at the top can make more money and create more jobs (?). I'm with Badfish, this "race to the bottom" mentality is really disturbing and disgusting.
I guarantee you if we all started picking apart what you haters made and the bennies you get you wouldn't like it one bit. Who would like to start and tell us your situation?
That's not the issue, Tahiti. The issue is, why should all the folks riding in the canoe, get a better deal than the one's paddling?
Federal employee, vs Teacher's salaries:
Here's the scope
My relatives children receive FULL bene's until age 21, we're talking, Eye, Health, Life and Dental here...
No payment into bene's by my relative, Oh, must update, Rx's now from $3 to
$5 for non-brand...
My husband, a Federal employee pays, $500,monthly, for all of the above, Dental is EXTRA, depending on need, and we pay an add'l $250 monthly for the Lipitor med's. All of this is not including the add'l ( cancer ) insurance we pay to a private insurer.
Thanks for allowing me to rant
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Wrong again Mr. Expert. All it take is a good administration and they can be gone as well.
Mod cutI have never seen one teacher that I work with ever be fired. In 11 years, I have come across some truely awful teachers too. The worst are the ones who have just gotten so burned out. They have five or more years to go before retirement and they just do not care if their kids learn. Tenure is very unhealthy in my opinion. Not many teachers will tell you this, but I think it actually works against students.
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Mod cutI have never seen one teacher that I work with ever be fired. In 11 years, I have come across some truely awful teachers too. The worst are the ones who have just gotten so burned out. They have five or more years to go before retirement and they just do not care if their kids learn. Tenure is very unhealthy in my opinion. Not many teachers will tell you this, but I think it actually works against students.
Well then I guess you havent work with a good administration. Sorry if that offends you an administration that was trying to better the school and children would go after these peoples tenure. Well I guess because you havent seen it happen it most likely not possible.
Well then I guess you havent work with a good administration. Sorry if that offends you an administration that was trying to better the school and children would go after these peoples tenure. Well I guess because you havent seen it happen it most likely not possible.
I am a high school science teacher and I have been for 5 years. I have a masters degree in my field which I earned at a university and not online. I work at one of the public elites and am a great teacher. I go above and beyond every single day. I work summers unpaid to help my students study for SAT II's, do individual research projects (I got one of my students pubished in a scientific research journal) or go on academic team competitions. I spend 2-3 non-contract hours a day setting up labs, grading papers or planning lessons.
I am also not going to be a teacher much longer. The state of NJ finances is surely disastrous but I have done nothing to cause that yet I am demonized in the press literally daily. I am highly educated, I work incredibly hard and I will be going back to work in the private sector where I will make more money and do less work; I know this because I worked in my field for 5 years before I turned to teaching. I will miss my students, I will miss helping them achieve more than they thought they could but I will not miss being thought of as some sort of lazy, money grubbing cancer. I am also not alone. There are three other teachers in my school with less than 10 years in who will be leaving as well. All hard working but frustrated people. Good luck finding people who care about our children and their success when you vilify them constantly.
Actually the site is somewhat off when it comes to salaries. I'm a teacher (please don't kill me). It lists my salary as $74,698. I just had a bump in the salary guide because I recently completed a graduate course...more credits = more money. I actually make $83,998. I've been teaching for 11 years and have my masters plus 15 credits.
You make almost as much as someone at the top of the guide in my district, including someone who has a PhD. I work at one of the county academies, where the teachers are fairly well paid. I find it hard to believe you are making 20k more than a teacher at my school with 20 years of experience and a doctorate (and not an online one BTW) but maybe you are at Holmdel or one of the other very wealthy districts. Even so you are by no means the norm.
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Well said!
Thanks for your post
