Is Newark REALLY that bad???? (Jersey City: neighborhoods, taxes, live)

[SheSellsNJ]

Newark is that bad and worse. Been there as a REALTOR assisting a client in locating investment property and will never do that again. You can do much better. My vote is pass on Newark.

[66nexus]

Originally Posted by cyntmac

Not true. I have lived in cities larger than this where the most petty of crimes are generally reported. I can give numerous examples of American cities like that. There is not the problem of community relations in regards to law enforcement that you see in places like Newark.

There are many people you could ask in real life who would back me up on this one. And yes, I'm speaking from actual experience.

So just because you've seen petty crimes reported means that there aren't crimes in other cities that go unreported? You're really going to tell me that every crime in cities (pick one) gets reported?

Do you reeeally think Newark is unique in that situation? If you weren't there how could you possibly know? Especially since that city was as large as you say. Experience is irrelevant, because it will always be YOUR experience. Unless you're omni-present how can you speak for the community

[JERSEY MAN]

66 and Cyntac/ I applaud you for sticking up for Newark, if you live there you should be. 66 You give #s over 100, 90 and 66 , they are to many even if they were down to 25. They are over 100 this year and its not over. Lets face it the thugs are running wild and people like your self are saying its not that bad. When towns like JC and Newark rid themselves of the Bloods and Crips and Latin Kings and drop the murder rate under 5 maybe I'll move back in. But when you have the likes of the REV Al Sharpton only standing up when its a white on black crime not many of the white folk want to move back to the hood or (city).

[66nexus]

Originally Posted by JERSEY MAN

66 and Cyntac/ I applaud you for sticking up for Newark, if you live there you should be. 66 You give #s over 100, 90 and 66 , they are to many even if they were down to 25. They are over 100 this year and its not over. Lets face it the thugs are running wild and people like your self are saying its not that bad. When towns like JC and Newark rid themselves of the Bloods and Crips and Latin Kings and drop the murder rate under 5 maybe I'll move back in. But when you have the likes of the REV Al Sharpton only standing up when its a white on black crime not many of the white folk want to move back to the hood or (city).

I don't remember saying 'it wasn't that bad', but I do know that when I lived in Newark it definitely was that bad. My father moved because of it. Let's be real, things that bother inner-city persons vs. suburban persons are just on a different scale.
Newark has an undeniably long way to go, but anyone who remembers Newark in the 80's knows exactly what I mean when I say things now aren't the way they were. I'm reminded of an article that once rated Newark the most dangerous city in the nation.
And yes, gangs are a problem that need to be addressed.

ps: I'm not sure if the murders are over 100, but regardless, the numbers are still high as you stated

[cyntmac]

As usual you are missing the point completely. Of course no one person can be everywhere at once. What a point to make.

There are cities in the U.S. where the community at large has a positive historical relationship with law enforcement. It would not occur to Joe average not to report the smallest of crime. That would NOT be the case in Newark. It is Not the case there actually. This is common knowledge. You claim to know so much about Newark but are not aware of that?

A ten year old in Newark could tell you that.

[cyntmac]

No human being alive in Omni-present. What kind of statment is that?

If you want to educate on a particular community, people need to feel that you have some knowledge of that community. Anyone can say they live in XYZ but when they post statements that are inaccurate or completely false-how is that helping? People are not as clueless as you think.

O.K. maybe they are clueless in regard to this topic but they are not idiots.
Too many of these threads are just pure fiction.

Posts that speak of drug trafficing as if it is a local problem or posts about good guys and bad guys are so poposterous that I don't usually bother responding. The average adult in NJ knows better even if they no nothing of urban life. That is not saying much for their wealth of knowledge but there is so much bs coming from all directions on here and people can sense that.

[66nexus]

Originally Posted by cyntmac

As usual you are missing the point completely. Of course no one person can be everywhere at once. What a point to make.

There are cities in the U.S. where the community at large has a positive historical relationship with law enforcement. It would not occur to Joe average not to report the smallest of crime. That would NOT be the case in Newark. It is Not the case there actually. This is common knowledge. You claim to know so much about Newark but are not aware of that?

A ten year old in Newark could tell you that.

I must've missed your point because we're not talking only Newark here. I said that there are a lot of cities that have crimes that go unreported, and now you're trying to turn this into Newark-trivia.

I said many cities have crimes that go unreported, and you said "no, because I've lived in larger cities and even the petty crimes are generally reported" as if to say because you've seen petty crimes reported that that just must be the way it is. I've had things stolen from me that I've never reported only b/c I feel that I'm never getting it back and to accept my losses. Regardless of how I felt about Johnny-law. You ever leave a cell-phone on a bus? Or in a classroom/store you name it? You'll know that reporting it is much more trouble than it's worth.

[66nexus]

Originally Posted by cyntmac

No human being alive in Omni-present. What kind of statment is that?

That statement was to make the point that you can't know what's going on everywhere at once...and you weren't supposed to take it literally but apparently you did.

No one on city-data has to believe where I'm from/where I'm going etc. I'm not in the business of convincing either b/c it really isn't that serious.

[JERSEY MAN]

Guys/ Gangs and drugs are the MAJOR problems in the inner city, we all know it. I have worked in all units in 30 years, narco, community relations, mayors office, districts, gang units. U name it I worked it. Alot of the problems can't be resolved by the PD. I remember being assigned to Lincoln High School for parents night. A school of 3,500 kids in the middle of the city on a October night, guess what about 20 parents showed up. Maybe its me but when I attended parents night in the burbs for my kids I barely could get in the building. We moved around the school acting like we were the kids. Us the parents went from class to class making believe we were the kids. The bell rang and we had a schedule and moved from class to class. I wish they did this in the cities and the PARENTS pitched in. We the PD CANNOT solve the problem, we can help and try hard but its people like yourself that can help and should help and maybe us all could try to make a dent in the overall problem with society and crime in the city.

[cyntmac]

Trivia has nothing to do with it. It is common sense. I was speaking about violent crimes and using the petty crime analogy as an example. Of course people leave things and they get stolen. But you are dancing around the point I made which is that violent crimes frequently go unreported in cities like Newark. It is also true in certain sections of very large cities that have the same kind of history.

I brought up petty crime to make the point that people in some areas would never dream of not reporting serious crimes. They report minor crimes as a rule and not an exception.

This is not some mind blowing info I'm dropping here. Many people including that 10 year old would tell you the same thing.