Is Newark REALLY that bad???? (Scotch Plains: low income, income, living in)

[Tank1906]

Originally Posted by cyntmac

Give me a break. People in MD and VA denegrate DC on a daily basis.

This reminds me of the person on here who keeps saying that people in NY and MA don't complain about taxes like NJ does. Another load of crock.

They actually don't denegrate other parts of D.C. They're to busy bashing their own neighborhood in attempts to improve it. In Jersey, everybody has given up fixing their own so they bash someone elses.

Is that crock I'm smelling between exits 11-12 on the turnpike? Yuk!!!!

[cyntmac]

So the idea is to just join right in? No one is ever going to hear what you are saying. These threads turn into one big joke thread.

When will you and your numerous alters learn that you can't open people up to learning by guilt tripping, insulting, and baiting them. You claim to care about these issues. Your threads show otherwise and as I have made clear in previous posts, perpetuating dangerous sterotypes is not helping "the cause". You may not realize what you are doing in that regard but that is no excuse.

Most people who post regularly here ignore these threads for good reason. They know they are being baited. They don't want to be bothered for that reason. What is the point in pasting links here when you spent a dozen posts bashing everyone and everything? Do you really think people are going to want to learn this way? Of course they won't.

Again, if you really want to learn about Newark- why don't you challenge yourself a little? Newark is a national issue and so are other places like it. You seem to view it as a local sort of problem which is the true indicator of how little you really know. It's time to get a clue.

[Tank1906]

Originally Posted by cyntmac

So the idea is to just join right in? No one is ever going to hear what you are saying. These threads turn into one big joke thread.

When will you and your numerous alters learn that you can't open people up to learning by guilt tripping, insulting, and baiting them. You claim to care about these issues. Your threads show otherwise and as I have made clear in previous posts, perpetuating dangerous sterotypes is not helping "the cause". You may not realize what you are doing in that regard but that is no excuse.

Most people who post regularly here ignore these threads for good reason. They know they are being baited. They don't want to be bothered for that reason. What is the point in pasting links here when you spent a dozen posts bashing everyone and everything? Do you really think people are going to want to learn this way? Of course they won't.

Again, if you really want to learn about Newark- why don't you challenge yourself a little? Newark is a national issue and so are other places like it. You seem to view it as a local sort of problem which is the true indicator of how little you really know. It's time to get a clue.

First off..What are you talking about? Secondly..nobody is baiting anybody. This is a message board where we all can express our opinions in whatever way we want. You don't set the agenda or reponse style of this or any forum. I'm not obligated to agree with you in any way.

Newark is not really a national issue. Many of the people
where I'm from couldn't tell you the difference between Newark, NJ-Del-OH etc. It's a Jersey thing plain and simple. You don't see any national boards created for Newark, NJ. Unless something sensational happens here, Newark gets no National news coverage. Also, I LIVE in Newark so I don't need to do research, I just walk outside.

Lastly, you open people up to learning by any means neccesary. It's not "guilt tripping", it's called creating expectations. Our parents, teachers and whomever else ever tried to teach us anything used this tactic. I expect that anyone who wants to put a city down will first go and experience that city first hand, not read a census report or pass on the slights they heard on city-data. Can I say Detroit is bad before I go and spend time there? Yep, but would that be fair and accurate, no. Furthermore, there's no blueprint to learning. If a crude but true remark followed by a slight makes you reflect on your opinion and maybe open your eyes to someone elses then so be it. This is city-data not the politically correct forum. I'll always defend the the things I believe in despite the detractors. I know it's cool to hate Newark on these boards and just pile on the slights but I don't. I don't feel non-residents have the right to denegrate it when they don't really know. Imagine others discussing your marriage when they've never set foot in your house.

Oh yeah.."dangerous stereotypes", "the cause". What's that? Hope you enjoyed reading my other posts.

[DAT]

Originally Posted by BEMORE

DAT,
That was a very good post. It is rare to see people who are sane and positive, and not filled with hate, posting about Newark.
I lived in Newark awhile back as a student. I also worked there for awhile, and although I would not personally recommed if for people with families--I know that there is a lot of truth in your post and an earlier post about the fact that most people who post on here about that city are basically toxic suburbanites who understand nothing about the complex realities--historical or immediate--of inner city life.
From what I understand, the gangs in Newark have gotten out-of-control, but there are also progressive, forward-thinking people there, like you, who are committed to making it a better place, and I truly wish residents like you and Mayor Booker all the best. The existence of bad people in an area should never overshadow the existence of good hardworking people who will ultimately succeed in effecting change while others cause trouble, and still others sit around and whine--both types of people are part of the problem. I am looking to move back to NJ, and although I will not be moving my family to Newark, I am interested in learning about organizations through which out-of-towners can assist in turning the city around. I would really like to be part of the solution. I am especially interested in mentoring. Perhaps I should start a new thread?

Thanks...

I have a wonderful family life right here in Newark for the record. My family is still young; but all my nieces and nefews are college graduates at the tops of there classes. One nefew works in City administration along along with a second cousin.

No Problem..

WE are all tasking OUR nieghborhoods and are at the pulse of the Cities growth. WE are not the scared, suburban pot belly couche potatos who post on this site. They have not a clew. And if they did I dought they would perform.

The problems WE have WE are working to resolve. We are in charge here. This is really what its all about. It has nothing to do with gangs or drug dealing etc. These are the preoccupations of the uniformed and the uninspired. These types are no better than the the life issues they fear. They are the scared.

Read their posts well. They are scared to death. Its sad.

WE have Weequaic and Vailsburg and Forest Hills for the most part and downtown. The Airport and PA of N&J, Amtrack, NJT are answering to US finally and are heavily vested for the next 10-20 years. Our infrastructure is class A city wide, realestate values has quadrupled over the last 15 years including the outer residential communities, taxes are good still. My own house was purchased for 45,000 25 years ago by my parents. I assumed it at 450,000 a few years ago. Need I mention how nice of retirement package that was for them?

We have a huge college community that has quadrupled in the last 10 years, we have two world renowned medical centers, etc.....

There are over 500 million dollars in new construction projects currently filed with Newark dept of buildings and roads for the next 5 years and this is not the end. But that covers over 70 percent of what Newark is; a "City" moving and growing.

The few knuckleheads we have in some of the small areas of town do not even see that they will be finished 100% virtually overnght.

When I say we I mean real Newarkers; not outsiders and "hankerchief-heads".

Oh..I am never sure what the inner city is. I have never been to an inner city.

[JERSEY MAN]

Mayor Sharpe James did Newark well.

[apvbguy]

Originally Posted by JERSEY MAN

Mayor Sharpe James did Newark well.

and gibson before him, ever see his shore house?

[DAT]

Originally Posted by JERSEY MAN

Mayor Sharpe James did Newark well.

Yes you can say that.

But you must know that he is one man.

WE all did it. WE re-built what most people 30 years said was impossible. But while the scorners were sitting back laughing and talking with the mouth; WE were busy (with Mr. James.... a close family friend sense I was a boy) working with the mind and will of prosperousness. IT WAS NOT MAGIC.

And we are not nearly done.

Once we bag up the remaining drug dealers and lock up their bugged out clientel which sworms down RT 80 to get their "business" then run back up to Short Hills and other safe suburban towns we will then be turning the final corner.
You see in our plans we want the suburban dope attacks who invest in the crime element they fear and complain and exaggerate about in Newark to have the same exact punishment and arrest record as their fellow cohorts. To us they are all the same. Drug dealers drug takers. Whats the difference? NONE.

You never hear about the suburban dope attacks that are getting arrested in record numbers do you? They are mostly white and so-called middle class and will drive to Newark without fear to get the stuff they want.

Soon these idiots who are at the cause of the problem are going to be "on blast" as we say.

A group of young black lawyers has uncovered false claims for stolen cars and accidents. These people ALLOW the cars to be stolen and or damaged on purpose. Guess where most of the perps come from? Suburban Essex and Union County. But you can't get this info in the news. Why? WE wonder the same thing. Well we are working to get it "on blast".

So keep laughing and scorning. Not you specifically ( I mean whoever reads this).

Stand by...

WE are working on things.

What people thinking is Newarkers sleeping is actually thier own blindness and fear. Thier eyes are closed.

Check this....

The dealer where I was picking up my 08 5 Series Beamer had this guy; white 25 years of age or about; walk through the cars functions features blah blah before I drove it out. He told me that I may have a problem with damge to the mirrors due to parking on "Newarks narrow streets".

I new what he really meant.

I said to the boy "can't you see the Beamer I am trading in has not a scratch on it".

He looked at me funny.

So I said "anyway what do you think this is"?(I showed him the remote garage door opener I had in my hand that I took out of the 04 5 Series I was trading in).

I said "Its an automatic garage door opener". I park in a heated two car garage thats attached to my 4 bedroom house."

He said "I thought you lived in Newark"

I said "I do; now get out of my car please so I can go home to the "narrow" streets of Newark".

You see...Blind as a bat.

Too many negative coversations he has had about Newark (probably filled with racism) over his life about a town he knows nothing about...Nothing.

[cyntmac]

Originally Posted by Tank1906

Lastly, you open people up to learning by any means neccesary. It's not "guilt tripping", it's called creating expectations. Our parents, teachers and whomever else ever tried to teach us anything used this tactic. I expect that anyone who wants to put a city down will first go and experience that city first hand, not read a census report or pass on the slights they heard on city-data. Can I say Detroit is bad before I go and spend time there? Yep, but would that be fair and accurate, no. Furthermore, there's no blueprint to learning. If a crude but true remark followed by a slight makes you reflect on your opinion and maybe open your eyes to someone elses then so be it.

This is city-data not the politically correct forum. I'll always defend the the things I believe in despite the detractors. I know it's cool to hate Newark on these boards and just pile on the slights but I don't. I don't feel non-residents have the right to denegrate it when they don't really know. Imagine others discussing your marriage when they've never set foot in your house.
Oh yeah.."dangerous stereotypes", "the cause". What's that? Hope you enjoyed reading my other posts.

Dude,

Your posts are full of ignorant statements and you are clueless about Newark and many other things. Your parents and teachers used those tactics?
That explains a lot.

It's just a "Jersey thing"?
Any ten year old in Newark would laugh at that statement. They know better. If you actually were from there, you would know better. Of course its been ignored just like all the other Newarks around the U.S. are ignored.

There are different ways of learning? No blueprint? A slight makes you reflect? Reality check please.

People are not listening to anything you are saying. Why would they? You are insulting people from Newark. You just can't grasp it as usual.

The funny thing is - I really think you believe you are opening people's eyes. Unfortunately, you are doing nothing of the kind.
You will always defend? Nobody has the right to denegrate? You state these things and then pretend you don't have a "cause" and ask "what's that"?

Addressing people in the manner you do obviously shuts them down before anything you say is actually heard.
You are trying to defend something you truly don't understand. You are going about it in a way that is many steps backward and making a joke out of the lives of countless Americans.

When will the lightbulb go on?

[cyntmac]

Originally Posted by DAT

Yes you can say that.

Once we bag up the remaining drug dealers and lock up their bugged out clientel which sworms down RT 80 to get their "business" then run back up to Short Hills and other safe suburban towns we will then be turning the final corner.
You see in our plans we want the suburban dope attacks who invest in the crime element they fear and complain and exaggerate about in Newark to have the same exact punishment and arrest record as their fellow cohorts. To us they are all the same. Drug dealers drug takers. Whats the difference? NONE.

You never hear about the suburban dope attacks that are getting arrested in record numbers do you? They are mostly white and so-called middle class and will drive to Newark without fear to get the stuff they want.

Soon these idiots who are at the cause of the problem are going to be "on blast" as we say.
So keep laughing and scorning. Not you specifically ( I mean whoever reads this).
Stand by...
WE are working on things.

At least on this one there was some true to life subject matter.

Yes indeed-in regard to narcotics, punishment is not handed out equally. There are a few groups involved in trying to change that but it is not likely that you will see universal treatment acheived in your lifetime. The people who are making the most noise on this are those that are the most affected by the current incarnation of the war on drugs. With the little power they have, it is not easy to be heard.

The climate in the U.S. today really works against efforts to repeal any of the current laws that play a large part in the inequity. Some states have amended the "3 strikes" type laws in regard to drug offenses after much public outcry but it doesn't make a dent in regard to equal punishment. Unfortunately, the wheels of justice move very slowly.

It's good to know "you" or "we" are working on it.

Instead of telling people to standby, why not let them know what they can do in terms of the current laws, bills, etc.?

[pwright1]

I was born in Newark and I will always have a fondness for the city. Yes it has its issues but from what I see the city is improving in leaps and bounds. So much so that 2 very good friends of mine and their 2 school age children left Seattle and moved to Newark. They love it. These are 4 good reasons why Newarks's population is growing these days.