Is Newark REALLY that bad???? (Elizabeth, Union: dangerous, stats, move to)

[DAT]

Originally Posted by missy2

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Yes!! I live next to it. Don't move there. Try Mt Claire, or Arlington if you have to stay in Union County. But Union County is not the first county I suggest. Pleaseeeeeeeeeeeee! Don't move to Elizabeth either. We are in a gang war right now. You can't walk on street when the sun goes down unless you are getting in a car, in fear of getting shot. In 2 days we have 2 dead and 2 wounded.

I guess you did not hear about the shooting two weeks ago in "Mt Claire" (actually spelled Montclair). The shooting was officially determined as drug related. Although knowone was killed.

Also; my car was vandelized 2 years ago.

Also; I witnessed a young boy get run over by a stolen vehicle as I walked out of a very nice cafe 2 weeks ago.

I have a few more but I think you get my point.

Oh!

Arlington NJ is beat!!! and the rats they have are huge and plentiful.

Who wants to live in rat world?

I think Arlington should be cordoned off as a toixc dump site and a garbage heap. The stench in the air is putrid especially on a rainy day.

The person should move to Hell before Arlington NJ or the seemingly pleasant although tough streets of "Mt Claire" (Montclair).

I must admit with a name like Montclair you expect more.

NOT

So much for names.

[cyntmac]

...............Wtf?....................

[lukeache]

Originally Posted by cyntmac

...............Wtf?....................

We will not stop until everybody says that Newark is a great place. I still do not understand why this guy is so obssessed with Newark. Maybe if he sold the BMW, then he could move to a better place. Hey, DAT, how about Westfield? Too many whities for you? I guess, His BMW would not stand out there as much as it does in the ghetto

[neekah18]

I have read alot of these posts regarding Newark and I agree that I wouldn't live there but I wouldn't put someone who lives there and loves it, down for any reason. Newark has bad areas and it has nice areas. Newark boasts alot of beautiful architecture and history and it is also home to a beautiful Museum. Many affluent people visit the Newark Museum. People get married there, hold fabulous receptions, and other events. However, as far as the mother who said she wants to move out of Newark with her two children I must ask the question, "Why now?". Newark has never been a picturesque place nor has their school system been ranked the highest. You have two boys who I hope you instilled in them to become great men and with that I mean put education first and work hard. I feel like most of the problem in Newark lies within the community. Murders happen and despite their being 20 witnesses to the scene, no two stories match because everyone is withholding information. They say their scared. Scared of what? Being labeled a "snitch"? So you would rather live in fear than sleep better at night knowing you helped save a potential victim?
What really kills me is everyone wants to march and point fingers but in reality you should point the finger at yourselves. Why are 12, 13, and 14 year olds outside "playing" at midnight and/or later?? Where were the parents???? Why is no one asking that question. Where are the parents??

Another contributing factor to Newark's bad reputation is that even though Newark just opened the Prudential Arena and they have so many institutions alot of these jobs are not going to Newark residents!!! Many people travel from suburbia (yes they do regardless of what many of you anti Newark people hate to admit) and take these jobs. And the sad part is alot of these companies are quick to hire non Newark residents. Please do not say "It's because of education" because you don't need to be a rocket scientist to be a supervisor. Case and point: When they were building Lowes on route 20 in Paterson the city of Paterson told them they must hire some Paterson residents, what did we find out? They went to Elmwood Park and Hackensack and other outer areas first to let it be known they were accepting applications and hired a miniscule amount of Patersonians (I have friends who work there). Also many Patersonians did not get the "upper crust jobs" i.e. Supervisors and Head Cashiers and Managers, you will find that many of them are not from "horrible urban areas like Paterson and Newark" no those fine folks like 5-10 whole minutes away in Hackensack, Elmwood Park, Haledon and they do not want to be associated with "those ghetto people"

[apvbguy]

Originally Posted by neekah18

I have read alot of these posts regarding Newark and I agree that I wouldn't live there but I wouldn't put someone who lives there and loves it, down for any reason. Newark has bad areas and it has nice areas. Newark boasts alot of beautiful architecture and history and it is also home to a beautiful Museum. Many affluent people visit the Newark Museum. People get married there, hold fabulous receptions, and other events.

and when the event is over they get out of Newark as fast as they can.
You can build whatever you want there to draw people into town but until you clean out the bad elements, you will not get people to stick around.
Ironbound is able to have a vibrant area because for the most part the bad of Newark is not found in that area.

Originally Posted by neekah18

Another contributing factor to Newark's bad reputation is that even though Newark just opened the Prudential Arena and they have so many institutions a lot of these jobs are not going to Newark residents!!! Many people travel from suburbia (yes they do regardless of what many of you anti Newark people hate to admit) and take these jobs. And the sad part is a lot of these companies are quick to hire non Newark residents. Please do not say "It's because of education" because you don't need to be a rocket scientist to be a supervisor. Case and point: When they were building Lowes on route 20 in Paterson the city of Paterson told them they must hire some Paterson residents, what did we find out? They went to Elmwood Park and Hackensack and other outer areas first to let it be known they were accepting applications and hired a miniscule amount of Patersonians (I have friends who work there). Also many Patersonians did not get the "upper crust jobs" i.e. Supervisors and Head Cashiers and Managers, you will find that many of them are not from "horrible urban areas like Paterson and Newark" no those fine folks like 5-10 whole minutes away in Hackensack, Elmwood Park, Haledon and they do not want to be associated with "those ghetto people"

they don't hire the locals for many reasons, and yes education is a big one, but many people from these poor urban areas do not possess the social skills necessary to work in retail and interacting with the public, many have a poor work ethic, they show up late or not at all and companies have learned from experience that many of this demographic are just not employable.

you may not like what I've posted but that is reality

[cyntmac]

Originally Posted by lukeache

We will not stop until everybody says that Newark is a great place. I still do not understand why this guy is so obssessed with Newark.

Because he is a troll who has never lived in NJ. He does not post like this on his state's forum. Believe me.

How about we all start posting on his state forum?-trolling in the middle of his so called informative threads.
The posts would be a lot more creative than the numerous ones he's repsonsible for here. And that's not saying much.

[cyntmac]

Originally Posted by neekah18

However, as far as the mother who said she wants to move out of Newark with her two children I must ask the question, "Why now?". Newark has never been a picturesque place nor has their school system been ranked the highest. You have two boys who I hope you instilled in them to become great men and with that I mean put education first and work hard. I feel like most of the problem in Newark lies within the community. Murders happen and despite their being 20 witnesses to the scene, no two stories match because everyone is withholding information. They say their scared. Scared of what? Being labeled a "snitch"? So you would rather live in fear than sleep better at night knowing you helped save a potential victim?

What really kills me is everyone wants to march and point fingers but in reality you should point the finger at yourselves. Why are 12, 13, and 14 year olds outside "playing" at midnight and/or later?? Where were the parents???? Why is no one asking that question. Where are the parents??

Many people travel from suburbia (yes they do regardless of what many of you anti Newark people hate to admit) and take jobs. And the sad part is alot of these companies are quick to hire non Newark residents. Please do not say "It's because of education" because you don't need to be a rocket scientist to be a supervisor.

Dude,
Why not ask people in any community "where are the parents"?
It really kills you?

You don't know what your talking about as usual.
There are lousy parents in every community.

Lecturing people on hard work and education is a waste of time.
That is a no brainer. People either have that sort of value system or they don't. That goes for any community.

Of course, education has nothing to do with hiring practices.

That condescending liberal phony attitude is a complete waste of time.
Most people in Newark would rather be lectured to by a Klansman.

This is one of your all time lamest posts ever.

[neekah18]

Originally Posted by cyntmac

Dude,
Why not ask people in any community "where are the parents"?
It really kills you?

You don't know what your talking about as usual.
There are lousy parents in every community.

Lecturing people on hard work and education is a waste of time.
That is a no brainer.

Of course, education has nothing to do with hiring practices.

That condescending liberal phony attitude is a complete waste of time.
Most people in Newark would rather be lectured to by a Klansman.

This is one of your all time lamest posts ever.

First of all I am not a dude.
Secondly this thread is about Newark!!! I don't have to mention any other deadbeat parents in any other areas.

And who said education has nothing to do with hiring practices??? What I said was that will be the first thing people shout when they do not hire individuals who live in Newark "Oh those people don't have the proper education" "They don't have any social skills" "They arrive late and leave early". Some of you come on here judging people you don't even know!!! Honestly do the majority of people on here have Bachelor degrees??? Wait I bet there will be several posts from people who have their Phd's now that I mentioned that.

And as far as the comment "as soon as the event is over they hightail it out of Newark" ummm when you go to an event do you lounge around in the area???? I don't care if it's Hoboken or Manhattan many people do not sit around and site see after an event is over. They get in and get out.

[goldbandit]

I would honestly like Newark to a great city. I'd like the same thing of Trenton, Camden, and other urban areas in New Jersey. I would like to be able to have a great metro area minutes away from NYC, but still decidedly less expensive than Manhattan. Isn't that what a lot of us would want from Newark?

Neekah, I'm with you about the Lowe's in Paterson. Those are jobs that do not require a college education and it might have been nice to give the majority of jobs to Paterson residents, it is unfortunate when that happens. But most of the good jobs in Newark at the major companies, DO require good education and at least an associate's degree with high marks. And the kids growing up in Newark don't have any inclination to get those things.. if they do, they are on the first damn train out of that hell hole b/c they are sick and tired of being shot at over colors or mugged for 7 bucks.

It's hard enough to survive in Newark if you're a minority who can blend in. I bet alot of people would like to be able to leave their apartment and walk to work at Prudential or wherever. But they can't. They gotta drive in from Essex Fells or Montclair, or wherever else. All these luxury apartments that go up have private gyms. Why? Cause it isn't safe to ride the subway to the local NYSC or go for a run through the streets.

It's simply not true to say if you don't bother with the bad element you'll be alright. It's not true in Newark. They will find you, seek you out, and victimize you. Because that's how they think, those are the actions that have rewarded them in the past.

I was on the subway in Newark and there were 3 or 4 children, couldn't have been older than 11, and you know what? They were drunk. It was the saddest thing I've ever seen in my life. I'm 23 years old, a college student.. Newark should be an awesome college city. But it isn't. It's got 2 spectacular schools (NJIT and UMDNJ) who practically have to cordon themselves off from the surrounding areas. The problem is in the community and it is generations deep.

[neekah18]

I agree with you 100%. Its the community and the problem is its seeping from generation to generation. Parents are not teaching their children properly. I am 27 and I don't have children yet, I am also a minority and I graduated college. I see so many people my age, older, younger, who seem so lost like ok you grow up, have children send them to school and give them just the bare essentials and that is it. How many actually watch their children do homework? You would be surprised how the majority of children go to school every morning. Dirty clothes, unwashed faces, and clutching a sugary honeybun for breakfast. Let's see how productive they are in class.