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Meh - they get a fair compensation package already. I'll stop comparing their work to the private sector as soon as I stop hearing complaints about how hard they have it and how they have to take work home with them. Boo freaking hoo...some days they have to stay till 5pm....oh cry me a river.
On one hand, I hear the private section is what we should be emulating for everyone because it's "fair" (which makes me LOLOLOLOLOL).
The issue is not whether it's "fair". There wouldn't be any issue if it weren't for high property taxes. The issue is whether or not the tax payer is willing and able to pay for this.
Meh - they get a fair compensation package already. I'll stop comparing their work to the private sector as soon as I stop hearing complaints about how hard they have it and how they have to take work home with them. Boo freaking hoo...some days they have to stay till 5pm....oh cry me a river.
they are only "complaining" because people on this board incessantly whine about how "easy" they have it. i know of no teachers IRL who complain about their work.
The issue is not whether it's "fair". There wouldn't be any issue if it weren't for high property taxes. The issue is whether or not the tax payer is willing and able to pay for this.
80% of tax payers aren't "willing" to cough up one red cent - they'd screw every public employee 7 ways till sunday if they could. makes me sick, quite frankly!
"The problem is these fatcat, lazy teachers. They work 100 days a year, but get paid for 365 days a year. Most of them are sucking down a $100K+ salary, plus CADILLAC benefits, the best health, dental, vision, life insurances plus 401k match to 10% PLUS free breakfast and lunch! Then after they work for 15 years they have the option to retire with a $100K pension, but few do, because if they work another 5 years they can retire with a $200K/yr pension (PLUS cadillac benefits for life). then after they "retire" they go back and work another five years as an overpaid "consultant" for $300k+."
Seriously, did you make those facts up? They are so far from the truth I don't know where to start. Teachers make an average of 45K. They can spread it over 10 or 12 months. When did that become a cadilac salary? EVERY teacher I know finds summer employment to get by. The few that don't rely on the salary of a spouse. 'Then after they work for 15 years they have the option to retire with a $100K pension, but few do, because if they work another 5 years they can retire with a $200K/yr pension (PLUS cadillac benefits for life" Not true at all?
And where did you ever get this one? "I forgot to mention that the day a teacher is hired his job is guaranteed by the union, and he can't be laid off or fired no matter how bad a teacher he is or what he does wrong'
A teacher does not get tenure until 3 years + 1 day after they are hired. They can be let go at any time..even tenured teachers.
Listen, if you want to make points, take the time, do your homework and argue responsibly and with facts. Not something you heard on New jersey 101.5 or Shawn Hannity
"The problem is these fatcat, lazy teachers. They work 100 days a year, but get paid for 365 days a year. Most of them are sucking down a $100K+ salary, plus CADILLAC benefits, the best health, dental, vision, life insurances plus 401k match to 10% PLUS free breakfast and lunch! Then after they work for 15 years they have the option to retire with a $100K pension, but few do, because if they work another 5 years they can retire with a $200K/yr pension (PLUS cadillac benefits for life). then after they "retire" they go back and work another five years as an overpaid "consultant" for $300k+."
Seriously, did you make those facts up? They are so far from the truth I don't know where to start. Teachers make an average of 45K. They can spread it over 10 or 12 months. When did that become a cadilac salary? EVERY teacher I know finds summer employment to get by. The few that don't rely on the salary of a spouse. 'Then after they work for 15 years they have the option to retire with a $100K pension, but few do, because if they work another 5 years they can retire with a $200K/yr pension (PLUS cadillac benefits for life" Not true at all?
And where did you ever get this one? "I forgot to mention that the day a teacher is hired his job is guaranteed by the union, and he can't be laid off or fired no matter how bad a teacher he is or what he does wrong'
A teacher does not get tenure until 3 years + 1 day after they are hired. They can be let go at any time..even tenured teachers.
Listen, if you want to make points, take the time, do your homework and argue responsibly and with facts. Not something you heard on New jersey 101.5 or Shawn Hannity
[quote=gcctrumpeter;14054802]lkb0714 - you're right. I am a teacher, and I:
* Teach 180 days a year
* Attend 8-10 days of workshops a year
* Don't get paid for any holidays
* Go to school @7:45 (school starts @8:40), and stay most days until 4:30
* Take my paperwork and grading HOME to work on afterwards (for no pay)
Oh Please....everyone is well aware of the lies teachers are putting out:
*180 days is the number of days a teacher is supposed to show up for work BUT teachers get sick days, personal leave day, snow days, some get illness in the family days, emergency days etc So...in FACT teachers actually come to work about 160 times per year. Not a bad part time job! I wish I got 205 days off per year!
*the 8 to 10 workshops days are on School District time!
*You want to get paid extra for any of the 205 days off per year you get?
* High School teachers actually teach for about 3:40 per day So...they get 4:20 per day to take care of paperwork, grading papers , lunch and personal business. If you need more that 4:20 to get things done or actually take work home........there's something wrong with you!
The way all these things are being played out in NJ... It makes me glad I am renting and even more glad that I never made the jump to home ownership in NJ.
Sorry I know I'm not contributing anything positive...just observation from third party perspective who doesn't have too much riding on it for short term...
80% of tax payers aren't "willing" to cough up one red cent - they'd screw every public employee 7 ways till sunday if they could. makes me sick, quite frankly!
By "willing", I mean prepared to accept additional taxation in return for additional spending. Of course everyone would like high spending and no taxes.
I don't think it's true (actually I think it's laughably false) that NJ has a particularly low tolerance for taxation, because the voters consistently accept high levels of taxation in return for high levels of spending. However, it appears that even the tolerance of the NJ voter has been exceeded and the pendulum is swinging the other way.
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