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View Poll Results: Should Bergen County abolish the blue law?
NO way, a day of rest is wonderful! 33 36.26%
Both yes and no - but close on all public holidays 5 5.49%
Yes, I still want to shop on Sunday 47 51.65%
Do not care 6 6.59%
Voters: 91. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 06-07-2010, 10:59 AM
 
Location: New Jersey
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What the citizens don't understand is they have no right to tell people when they can and can't drive and where and when they can't shop. If populism dictated local rules and laws, southern states would still have the Bars and Stars on their state flags, Nevada would have "we hate Jews" stitched on their flag, etc.

This isn't an issue regarding what the citizens want, but rather an issue of not letting law dictate where and when a place can be open for business.
Wrong. What YOU don't understand is that communities DO have the right to tell people when they can and can't drive and where and when they can't shop. The only limitation is that of discrimination; a community can't, for example, tell people what to do on a discriminatory basis of religion, race, sex, age, etc. But aside from those exceptions, a community DOES have the right to dictate how the community is run.

If a community did NOT have that right, then there could be no zoning laws, no liquor licenses, no limitations to the type of businesses in the community, etc. A community has the right to protect its quality of life and property values. If a community believes that letting anyone and everyone sell liquor with no licenses will hurt their quality of life and property values, then they have the right to limit those sales or even elimiinate them (like Ocean City, NJ, which is a dry town). If a community believes that a Porn palace or a WalMart will ruin their quality of life and home values then they have the right to tell those businesses they are unallowed to do business in their community. If they believe that allowing stores to be open later than 11PM will hurt their quality of life, they can enforce that, too. And, if they believe that stores being open on Sunday, or any other day, will hurt their quality of life then they have the right to enforce that also.

Now what part of this do you not understand? Why are you so against a community's rights to do what's in its best interest as a community?
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Old 06-07-2010, 11:11 AM
 
Location: Weehawken, NJ
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so you believe Christie has the right over overrule the wishes of the citizens. i'm going to use BCJ's analogy then. You wouldn't have a problem with Christie demanding a porn palace next door to your home them, after all, we're in a crappy economy and we know that porn and booze are recession proof. We need to stimulate the economy after all! (no pun intended, LMAO).
Actually, porn is not recession proof. Haven't you heard that the porn industry is struggling. Struggling so much that they asked for a bail out from the government. More porn places/strip clubs are going out of business than are opening up.
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Old 06-07-2010, 11:15 AM
 
Location: NJ
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Actually, porn is not recession proof. Haven't you heard that the porn industry is struggling. Struggling so much that they asked for a bail out from the government. More porn places/strip clubs are going out of business than are opening up.
ok, i'm not going to delve into that rat hole, LOL.
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Old 06-07-2010, 11:31 AM
 
Location: Elsewhere
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so you believe Christie has the right over overrule the wishes of the citizens. i'm going to use BCJ's analogy then. You wouldn't have a problem with Christie demanding a porn palace next door to your home them, after all, we're in a crappy economy and we know that porn and booze are recession proof. We need to stimulate the economy after all! (no pun intended, LMAO).
I don't believe you. I think you intended that pun! LMAO right back.
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Old 06-07-2010, 11:48 AM
 
Location: 32°19'03.7"N 106°43'55.9"W
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I am hopeful, for the sake of consistency, that similar values are recognized on a federal level, which has long been a sore point with me. Give you a perfect for instance: Richard Nixon using a uniform 55 MPH national speed limit in 1973 is in my opinion, a parallel to what the governor is suggesting. That type of legislation is best left to states, as a county is also best able to govern. One of the most unctuous politiicans in my opinion, Frank Lautenberg, pulled strong arm tactics in 1983 whereby the federal DOT could withhold federal funds for states that didn't comply to a 21 year old legal drinking age. What is right for Bergen County is not necessarily right for Camden County, since NJ is a big state, population-wise, with almost 9 million people. So, too, then, could it be reasoned that the concept of statism on a more geographically arching level, is also out of bounds.

I agree with those who recognize that politics is ultimately best suited to empower local officials. However, I think many of those who would be supportive of county's jurisdiction, and proper use of law, would not be as supportive when it comes to extending this premise nationally, and allowing the concept of federalism to prevail.
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Old 06-07-2010, 12:09 PM
 
Location: 32°19'03.7"N 106°43'55.9"W
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ok, THAT's funny stuff.

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Old 06-07-2010, 12:10 PM
 
Location: On the Rails in Northern NJ
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But it will never happen , or at least not now........a poll somewhere a few months , showed that 70% is still against repealing it. Even if the County makes more $$$.......
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Old 06-07-2010, 04:52 PM
 
Location: Weehawken, NJ
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ok, i'm not going to delve into that rat hole, lol.

lol.:d:d:d
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Old 06-07-2010, 05:50 PM
 
Location: New Jersey
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But it will never happen , or at least not now........a poll somewhere a few months , showed that 70% is still against repealing it. Even if the County makes more $$$.......

And then the same 70% have the nerve to complain why their taxes are so high, services are being cut and their county budget is in the red ? Talk about shortsighted stupidy.....
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Old 06-07-2010, 05:59 PM
 
Location: On the Rails in Northern NJ
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And then the same 70% have the nerve to complain why their taxes are so high, services are being cut and their county budget is in the red ? Talk about shortsighted stupidy.....
Taxes are lower in the Major Shopping towns like Paramus , Ramsey , Hasbrouke Heights , Rutherford due to all the retail. Most of the County its a bit lower then the rest of the state.....although they should be lower......there low compared to ur county probably......
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