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Old 03-28-2011, 10:55 PM
 
Location: Metromess
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I don't think the swastika form was even known to most Americans until Hitler came to their attention. But simply because they didn't know what to call it doesn't mean that the word is incorrect. You're right, those who didn't know the word would have called it something else. But it was of little import until the rise of Nazism.

Anyway, it's no big deal.
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Old 03-29-2011, 07:57 AM
 
Location: Sacramento Mtns of NM
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In the link from funkymonkey, it was shown as having many uses - even in Western culture,
but it was not referred to as "swastika" until Mean Mr. Mustache.
Ummm... would you believe what Merriam Webster says about it?
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Origin of SWASTIKA

Sanskrit svastika, from svasti well-being, from su- well + as- to be; akin to Sanskrit asti he is, Old English is; from its being regarded as a good luck symbolFirst Known Use: 1871

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Old 03-29-2011, 08:53 AM
 
Location: Albuquerque
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Ummm... would you believe what Merriam Webster says about it?
I was referring to the common use in English.
I did not deny that the word existed before Hitler's rise.
The wiki article also contained information on the sanskrit stuff.

catman also confirmed that in his post.

The symbol did not have a common name until the Nazi's took it on - just like I said.

I never said that the name was coined by them. You're picking at nits.
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Old 03-29-2011, 10:34 AM
 
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i used to marvel at those swastikas as a kid. my grandma said they covered them up during WW2 although there was a movement to destroy them.

does NMSU still have the swastika as their yearbook?
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Old 03-29-2011, 02:25 PM
 
Location: Albuquerque
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The English and Scandinavian word for swastika is 'fyl fot' which is an archaic spelling of 'fill foot'. 'fill' meaning 'many'. This term is still used in heraldry where apparently the Swastika is not relegated to the ignominy of sole possession by Nazis.

Actually, pre-WWII, the swastika was a reasonably common symbol in America and Europe as this 1915 apolitical postcard demonstrates.


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Old 03-29-2011, 03:02 PM
 
Location: Albuquerque
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Actually, pre-WWII, the swastika was a reasonably common symbol in
America and Europe as this 1915 apolitical postcard demonstrates.
Yeah, but did the common person know what it was called?
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Old 03-30-2011, 07:36 AM
 
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i used to marvel at those swastikas as a kid. my grandma said they covered them up during WW2 although there was a movement to destroy them.

does NMSU still have the swastika as their yearbook?
The yearbook was renamed in the mid 80's. Don't know whether it was changed for political correctness or other reasons.
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Old 11-24-2012, 06:45 PM
 
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The yearbook was renamed in the mid 80's. Don't know whether it was changed for political correctness or other reasons.
I used to work at the NMSU Museum, which is housed in one of the earliest NMSU buildings. There is still a swastika on the wall in the main room, but it is covered up with something much more politically correct. I was told it was symbolic in many cultures for the four directions, the four winds, etc. I have also seen the ones on the building in Mountainair. It's funny that even though I KNOW what it is and why it's used, it is still so ingrained in me what Hitler and the Nazis used it for that it was an ugly jolt to see it.
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Old 11-25-2012, 02:28 AM
 
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It is hard to see it, especially if you grew up around first-generation refugees, veterans and survivors. I know I wince wherever I see it, whether Native American, Buddhist, or whatever.
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Old 11-26-2012, 06:43 PM
 
Location: New Mexico
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Looked up some history, around the early 'teens, the swastika was actually used on Arizona road signs. Besides that, there are many examples of this symbol used on buildings all over the USA, I even know of one in Rockford, IL (on 7th st.) on a 3 story building between the 2nd and 3rd floor. More locally, the ones on the popular vintage restaurant/hotel in Mountainaire are appropriate to the setting and it's great vintage decoration.. It is too bad that most people only think of the Nazis when they see a swastika, not all the other more agreeable uses it was known for before Herr H and friends grabbed it for their own purposes.
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