Moving to NM to...teach? (Albuquerque, Farmington: apartments, homes, buyers)

[Softtail_Honey]

Originally Posted by coltraneandcoffee

Hi everyone A native new yorker here....I am a college senior graduating this december with a BA in history. I have wanted to move to either AZ or NM for a very long time, hopefully to teach 4th or 5th grade in a low-income area.

I read about a program online yesterday called the New Mexico Transition to Teach (NMT2T)- it's an alternative path to certification and it seemed amazing. However I dont know anyone in NM, I still live in NY and Im not sure if my dream of teaching near the Dine' or Zuni reservations is an idealistic mistake. Can anyone give me some advice regarding either the program, teaching elementary grades in low-income areas, or just packing up and heading out west in general? I visited Phoenix and...well.... I hope NM works out!
Danielle

Oh, I know of a woman and her husband that just moved back to where they came from after he had a prominent position working in the Zuni school district. They stayed for MAYBE a full school year. I am going to see if I can get her to come in here and give you some info.

[Cathy4017]

They have head and shoulders above the ability to educate their own, having a very erudite tack to their view on life.

Well, that very much begs the question...why don't they?

Teaching in the regular school systems was quite bad enough...I would imagine that teaching on the reservation would be a nightmare.

[Melanies7]

That would be me

My family & I moved to Zuni in July 06 and moved back home to MO in June 07.

Danielle: There are several things to consider and ask yourself before going in to such an area.

First of all, imho, working on an Indian Reservation such as at Zuni, would be a job best suited for a single male - but, that's just my 2cents

There were so many challenges that we faced while we were out there, but we also met some great people and saw some amazingly beautiful places.

Prob the greatest hardship was the stress on our children. There were only a couple of other white children in the entire district, besides ours. The Zunis were very reluctant to accept any 'outsiders'. The girls were teased and tormented on a daily basis. They had all sorts of profanity directed at them - things my young daughters had never heard and still don't know exactly what all of it meant. They were told to 'go back where they came from' and were let known in no uncertain terms that they weren't welcome. Don't get me wrong, there were a few amazing kids (and teachers/staff) that were wonderful to our kids and I was extremely thankful for them. But the things they had to endure was very hard on them. Not only were they called names, but they were hit, kicked, had things stolen from them, etc.

The reservation is very poor. Almost every one is unemployed with their money coming from the government and any extra coming from jewelry, fetishes and other items that they've sold. We had 'sellers' that came to our house on a daily basis. Some of them were extremely nice, others came when they were drunk or high and would become angry if we would not buy from them. We had things stolen from us, we had someone break into our yard - neighbors had windows busted out and things stolen, houses broken into...that sort of thing - it's a rough area.

Alot of the kids come from homes were drug and alcohol abuse is very prevalent. Alot of the kids are abused - sexually, physically and/or mentally.

There are just so many issues to deal with.

Another really hard thing for us to deal with was some of the things done to children during 'religious' ceremonies.

I could go on and on and am willing to give you any info that you like.

As I said previously, it's not ALL bad - it's a very beautiful place and we did have good experiences while there. I would consider giving it another go if it were just my husband and I - but not w/ the kids.

[talisyn]

I get my teaching degree in May, and actually wanted to do my student teaching on the Mescalero Rez, but a family friend who is Apache disuaded me. Mescalero (Mescalero Apache, Chiricaua Apache, Membres Apache Rez.) is only 20 miles from here. My great-grandmother was born there (her father worked with the Indian Service for many years and retired there) and many of my classmates in school were Apache. Our friend basically said that it was a very hard job, the youth are not interested, I would be an outsider, etc. I am still interested in teaching there, however I have decided that experience first would be better. So my plan is to teach several years and then reevaluate.

[ILOVEALLMY8PETS]

Danielle, You should consider following your dream and move to new Mexico/work with the low income children and the rewards will be well worth it. My husband and i live in New Mexico the land of enchantment. A beautiful place and beautiful people,,, best of luck,
I think you've made a wise decesion,,,

Originally Posted by coltraneandcoffee

Hi everyone A native new yorker here....I am a college senior graduating this december with a BA in history. I have wanted to move to either AZ or NM for a very long time, hopefully to teach 4th or 5th grade in a low-income area.

I read about a program online yesterday called the New Mexico Transition to Teach (NMT2T)- it's an alternative path to certification and it seemed amazing. However I dont know anyone in NM, I still live in NY and Im not sure if my dream of teaching near the Dine' or Zuni reservations is an idealistic mistake. Can anyone give me some advice regarding either the program, teaching elementary grades in low-income areas, or just packing up and heading out west in general? I visited Phoenix and...well.... I hope NM works out!
Danielle

[ILOVEALLMY8PETS]

I say do what your heart says live learn and live well,
life's an adventure!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
GO FOR IT,,,,,
IT'S ALL EXPERIENCE .............

[newmex]

...to get a focus on a subject that may be new to some, me included being here a mere 9 months.

It seems like a dysfunctional family2 (squared). What looks good upfront has a lot of ugly underneath. Surprised that Jerry Springer hasn't tapped the Pueblo market. If they were to scalp him for his exploitation though, there is hope there.


The same situation exists in inner city Midwest. They were actually importing teachers from out of our country ($paycheck$) to educate those that are troubled. This is in Cleveland, Ohio! That is a slam/humility to our nation of base PUBLIC SCHOOL educators. Vouchers anyone?

The well intentioned teachers keep chipping away. Social anthropology is more than a pick and shovel.

New Mexico has been an eye opening education to me. I do love this state, people elsewhere ask me about it. This has always been your state too, I tell them, you do pay Federal taxes don't you?

[coltraneandcoffee]

"The well intentioned teachers keep chipping away. Social anthropology is more than a pick and shovel." Amen to that one.


You all have helped me incredibly...I appreciate all of the replies! I do have a tendency to over-romanticize many things, and my boyfriend consistantly reminds me that if i go into things with a picture in my head, it is usually not really like that...however... I am not looking at NM as a place to be 'enchanted', however alluring the state motto may seem to a new yorker

The poverty does not deter me, nor does the possibility of being an outsider both culturally and physically (which I most surely will be..my mom has some Chitimachas blood in her, but I am dark from being mostly Italian and hispanic).

Soft_Tail Honey, I have heard that many times already...about going as a single young woman (I am almost 22) and I am trying to keep that in perspective.

Iloveallmy8pets: Thank you so much for your encouragement about that! That's how I see it too: it really is all an experience, and I most certainly do NOT want to stay where I am comfortable because I do not know what to expect from an experience. Plus, it would be a 3 year teaching committment maximum.


And I will be incredibly unhappy if I dont atleast try to go this direction. Now, I need to take the NMTA (teacher cert tests) in January when I visit and look for a plce to live. In the context of....oh I dont know... SAFETY.... which would be one of the BEST vs WORST areas for a 22 year old woman to be renting an apartment in...?

[coltraneandcoffee]

" Teaching Navajo children is very different than any other ethnic group. Their non competitive culture means they will not answer you out loud in class (so they do not show up a tribe member), they are hard to engage- noisy classrooms are not usually a problem! You have to work hard to draw them out and gain thier trust."

This is incredible advice-- thank you very much! I am used much more to hispanic/black children's dynamics in an inner city.. much much much much much....different.


"Well I'm rambling I'm sure! Hope this helps- come visit and see if you are romanticizing or if it still appeals when you see it in person."

Not rambling at all! Everything you are saying is exactly what I need to consider... I would love to hear anything else you could share with me!

Danielle

[penelopelp]

Newmex, Your info is very interesting! I've been an inner city teacher in the midwest, too (Dayton). I've finally had enough. I called it quits before this school year, and we plan on moving to New Mexico (most likely Albuquerque). I loved teaching, and loved teaching in the inner city--if I could have had some support from the administration! As you probably know, Dayton schools are a mess. I'm not sure if I'm going to look for a teaching job, or if I'm going to change careers. Right now I'm burned out.