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Old 12-11-2012, 04:22 PM
 
Location: Tejas
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Wait, New Mexico is a City now ?
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Old 12-11-2012, 05:49 PM
 
Location: New Mexico U.S.A.
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Wait, New Mexico is a City now ?
Where you been Brian? Don't you read everything new on the Internet during your morning coffee?
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Old 12-11-2012, 10:59 PM
 
Location: northern Vermont - previously NM, WA, & MA
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Way to bring down the ABQ Sunport and NM economy. I imagine many may resort to driving to El Paso or Denver.
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Old 12-11-2012, 11:23 PM
 
Location: New Mexico U.S.A.
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Way to bring down the ABQ Sunport and NM economy. I imagine many may resort to driving to El Paso or Denver.
If there is a problem, and there is none at the present time, then going to El Paso or Denver will not fix anything. If there is a problem, it might be your New Mexico drivers license which might be the problem, so going to any other state would not change anything.

If the only suitable ID you have is a New Mexico drivers license then you can start worrying Jan 15, 2013, unless there is another extension.

Bring down the "NM economy"? Anybody from 48 other states will be able to use their state drivers license to get on a plane to fly to New Mexico or any other place in the U.S. Anyone with a valid U.S. passport has no issue.

But wait!

According to a Dec 8, 2012 Albuquerque Journal article, Homeland Security said, the January deadline applies to states, not individuals. It mandates that states have certain security features on driver’s licenses and identification cards and says they must have a connection to a national database of license information. Starting in December 2014, a state-issued driver’s license or ID card can’t be used by someone under the age of 50 to enter a federal building or board a commercial airliner unless the license complies with the Real ID requirements. So, it looks like you have two more years to worry...

You can read the article here: http://www.abqjournal.com/main/2012/...l-good-id.html

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Old 12-13-2012, 01:02 PM
 
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The original thread pertained to boarding a plane with a NM driver's license.

How many incidents have there been since 9/11 that involved someone using a NM driver's license?

Now, how many incidents have been caused by individuals using the "accepted" driver's licenses from other states? Add up all the actors, professional athletes, etc.

The push to not accept the NM license does not seem to be based on any facts that can be demonstrated to enhance nat'l security, but instead, on bureaucratic speculation (TSA). The more likely reason is simply because The Man wants it that way. "Papers please" indeed, Zoidberg.
Do you think TSA should not look at citizenship at all? Anyone one from any country can just board a plane with no citizenship status given?

New Mexico does not require citizenship, legal status or valid identification in giving out drivers licenses. New Mexico drivers licenses are found by those living in other states who have never resided in New Mexico. If you're a foreigner and want a drivers license for whatever reasons you might want one, it's a well-known fact that you can get one from New Mexico. Many people might get one just for the hunting and fishing advantages when they travel to New Mexico for vacations.

Probably most illegal aliens obtaining them aren't going to hijack planes but there's nothing even that limits the NM drivers license to them. A would-be hijacker could obtain one just as easily.
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Old 12-13-2012, 02:33 PM
 
Location: Abu Al-Qurq
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Do you think TSA should not look at citizenship at all? Anyone one from any country can just board a plane with no citizenship status given?
Flying is not a privilege for citizens. It is a basic right to conduct commerce, be it business or pleasure. We lose billions every year because foreign vacationers and businesspeople alike hate how xenophobic, inept and reactionary our travel authorities have become. They spend their euros in Canada, the Caribbean, or back home.

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New Mexico does not require citizenship, legal status or valid identification in giving out drivers licenses. New Mexico drivers licenses are found by those living in other states who have never resided in New Mexico.
New Mexico requires proof of residency. This proof has been forged on occasion, but it is still proof sought.

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A would-be hijacker could obtain one just as easily.
Theft and fraud are well within the abilities of a committed criminal or combatant; no level of compliance or noncompliance with federal guidelines will change that.

Let's turn the issue on its head- should foreign nationals be allowed to buy and own firearms in New Mexico?
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Old 12-13-2012, 04:47 PM
 
Location: New Mexico U.S.A.
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Flying is not a privilege for citizens.
It's not?

So my wife's pilot license is a fraud/fake/etc?
How about the law, as in Title 49 of the United States Code?

49 USC § 40103 - Sovereignty and use of airspace

(1) The United States Government has exclusive sovereignty of airspace of the United States.

(2) A citizen of the United States has a public right of transit through the navigable airspace.

REFERENCE: 49 USC § 40103 - Sovereignty and use of airspace | LII / Legal Information Institute
By the way, My wife is a U.S. Citizen...
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Old 12-13-2012, 04:51 PM
 
Location: Abu Al-Qurq
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It's not?

So my wife's pilot license is a fraud/fake/etc?
How about the law, as in Title 49 of the United States Code?

49 USC § 40103 - Sovereignty and use of airspace

(1) The United States Government has exclusive sovereignty of airspace of the United States.

(2) A citizen of the United States has a public right of transit through the navigable airspace.

REFERENCE: 49 USC § 40103 - Sovereignty and use of airspace | LII / Legal Information Institute
By the way, My wife is a U.S. Citizen...
Hmm..

My statement was in essence "flying isn't a privilege, it's a right", to which you basically agreed with your basis.

(And I suppose "flying" was the "as a passenger" variant use of the intransitive verb).
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Old 12-13-2012, 05:02 PM
 
Location: New Mexico U.S.A.
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Hmm..

My statement was in essence "flying isn't a privilege, it's a right", to which you basically agreed with your basis.

(And I suppose "flying" was the "as a passenger" variant use of the intransitive verb).
'Hmm.. My statement was in essence?'

Your statement was exactly:

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Flying is not a privilege for citizens.
End of story...
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Old 12-13-2012, 05:09 PM
 
Location: Abu Al-Qurq
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'Hmm.. My statement was in essence?'

Your statement was exactly:



End of story...
So.. are you saying flying is a right or a privilege?
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