Are New Mexicans friendly? (Alamogordo, Alamo: subdivision, living in, law)

[Brantacanadensis]

Originally Posted by 6 FOOT 3

Thats good to hear they are in Las Cruces.Too bad all 50 states won't allow the private sector to do this. I refuse to go to the state MVD after going to MVD Express. Good job Janet Lucero (owner).

This would never to over in one state I know of - where I presently live - Minnesota. People from here (I'm not) would say it isn't fair you can pay extra go get faster service. People from here resent having to pay for most things - including education, rent, car repairs, toll roads. (There aren't any toll roads here, except for the one used by more frequently used vehicles - if you don't meet the occupancy limit, you can pay a toll to use the emptier lanes, and there were a lot of sing songy complaints about that from some very whiny native whites - "It's not fair that you can just pay more money to use it. We all should be able to pay the same thing." So, paying more for faster service would never take place in Fargo land. Many people from here feel that if they can't afford to do it, then their neighbor shouldn't have it either. Take running air conditioners. Many don't buy one, or won't turn it on once it's installed, because, and I've heard this before, "well, then you have to pay to run it." People here feel it should be free. If it costs money - to pay a $15 disposal fee for certain electronics, say an A/C, someone would probably leave it for the landlord to dispose of, l right to the landlord that it is not his, or just - and this is classic Minnesotan behavior - just avoid the landlord, and not pay the $15 to be done with it once and for all. Many folks here feel that they have a right to use the work computers for home use (downloading videos, reservations, uploading photos to the stores for developing, etc.) because "I don't have a home computer", once again said in that whiny, sing songy voice so typical of the population here. That's usually a Scandinavian thing - no one should have more than the other person. So, the private sector could do it if they wanted. Be grateful you have a state DMV with express service, which means you pay extra for that, which I would do, too. Money talks in some areas. Also, vanity plates would never go well over here. Minnesota has a very high rate for vanity plates - $150, because they don't want a lot of "vanity" on their roads. It's a very uptight culture, passed down by the original Puritans and settlers. You don't want to appear to flashy here - I've even seen some women wear those maternity tops from the 70s, so they wouldn't offend their minister fathers and in laws. My car incurred $2000 in damage one wintry morning, arriving to work. I was admonished the week before for arriving late, due to wintry weather. I still left an hour early, avoided being tossed off the road to the road below, yet slid into a concrete barrier on the employer's lot. I was fired for being late - twice in a two week period - even though it was due to winter weather, that didn't matter to these uptight folks. They love to say, "This is Minnesota. You should never be late, no matter the weather" as if I'm on the farm, needing to get the crops in. Although this belongs in a different thread, at least where you live people are probably not as uptight, know how to communicate with more than one syllable words, and don't mind paying for a few extra services.

[moving123456]

Originally Posted by Brantacanadensis

I'd like to shed some light on this perplexing entry. LukAche lives in the Twin Cities area, as do I. (I started looking at this New Mexico site since I am interested in relocating to Santa Fe.) I don't know this Luk person, but I am curious if he is not from Minnesota. Minnesota has a notorious reputation for not being a friendly place (read our ongoing blogs in the Minneapolis section.) If Luk is thinking of getting out, perhaps he is afraid he may encounter the same kind on unfriendliness elsewhere. Frankly, I am pretty open to other areas. I'm a native Easterner (Delaware) and never wonder if people are friendly, or this or that, in another state. Minnesotans, by nature it seems, are afraid to try something new, some other place to visit, because to them "there is no place like home and it is the best state in the nation." I've heard many say, "oh, we're tired of the weather here, but what happens if we move and don't like it there?" This is usually said in a very whiny, sing songy voice, indigenous to the area. Minnesotans are afraid of new people, new places. They cringe when having to interact with "outsiders" in the Twin Cities now, putting up their imaginary walls during conversation. When I first arrived here, 13 long years ago, with a slightly southern accent and darker skin due to my Italian ethnicity, well then, I knew what it felt like to be Black, Hispanic, or Native American. Maybe, Luk was also wondering if the friendliness of people in the Santa Fe area, or New Mexico area, extends beyond the workplace or other places where you interact with people. In other words, do you form relationships beyond the office cube, beyond your neighborhood? Are you invited into a home to get to know someone, over for a meal to get to know a neighbor or co-worker? Are you able to become part of someone's social network or group, that was formed some years ago, allowing room for new members into your life and group, perhaps to form lifelong relationships? That is not the case in Minneapolis and its environs. People here have their friends from middle school (the saying goes) and their family members. They are set for life with relationships. They don't need to make new friends, and maintain those relationships for the rest of their lives. People from Minnesota think they're the nicest people around (they call it Minnesota Nice; it has been noted by "outsiders" as Minnesota Ice, and we're not referring to the weather here). But, they are standoffish (see recent Minneapolis posts) and will talk to you, while holding their front door, through the crack. Perhaps this Luk person wants to know if the friendship is genuinely friendly, or of a very passive-aggressive nature, as in the Twin Cities. Frankly, I would like to know, too.

Originally Posted by Brantacanadensis

This would never to over in one state I know of - where I presently live - Minnesota. People from here (I'm not) would say it isn't fair you can pay extra go get faster service. People from here resent having to pay for most things - including education, rent, car repairs, toll roads. (There aren't any toll roads here, except for the one used by more frequently used vehicles - if you don't meet the occupancy limit, you can pay a toll to use the emptier lanes, and there were a lot of sing songy complaints about that from some very whiny native whites - "It's not fair that you can just pay more money to use it. We all should be able to pay the same thing." So, paying more for faster service would never take place in Fargo land. Many people from here feel that if they can't afford to do it, then their neighbor shouldn't have it either. Take running air conditioners. Many don't buy one, or won't turn it on once it's installed, because, and I've heard this before, "well, then you have to pay to run it." People here feel it should be free. If it costs money - to pay a $15 disposal fee for certain electronics, say an A/C, someone would probably leave it for the landlord to dispose of, l right to the landlord that it is not his, or just - and this is classic Minnesotan behavior - just avoid the landlord, and not pay the $15 to be done with it once and for all. Many folks here feel that they have a right to use the work computers for home use (downloading videos, reservations, uploading photos to the stores for developing, etc.) because "I don't have a home computer", once again said in that whiny, sing songy voice so typical of the population here. That's usually a Scandinavian thing - no one should have more than the other person. So, the private sector could do it if they wanted. Be grateful you have a state DMV with express service, which means you pay extra for that, which I would do, too. Money talks in some areas. Also, vanity plates would never go well over here. Minnesota has a very high rate for vanity plates - $150, because they don't want a lot of "vanity" on their roads. It's a very uptight culture, passed down by the original Puritans and settlers. You don't want to appear to flashy here - I've even seen some women wear those maternity tops from the 70s, so they wouldn't offend their minister fathers and in laws. My car incurred $2000 in damage one wintry morning, arriving to work. I was admonished the week before for arriving late, due to wintry weather. I still left an hour early, avoided being tossed off the road to the road below, yet slid into a concrete barrier on the employer's lot. I was fired for being late - twice in a two week period - even though it was due to winter weather, that didn't matter to these uptight folks. They love to say, "This is Minnesota. You should never be late, no matter the weather" as if I'm on the farm, needing to get the crops in. Although this belongs in a different thread, at least where you live people are probably not as uptight, know how to communicate with more than one syllable words, and don't mind paying for a few extra services.

Wow. Dragging your Minnesota hate posts to other areas of the forum. How lame.

[Brantacanadensis]

Originally Posted by moving123456

Wow. Dragging your Minnesota hate posts to other areas of the forum. How lame.

Only because I've have an interest in relocating to Santa Fe, and have been thinking of the Southwest as a new place for several years now. I prefer a dry climate, and less population (smaller cities), however certainly not ones which are all white. Another reason for my interest in the Southwest is its long standing Native American and Hispanic culture, of which I am neither, however I enjoy learning and interacting with people of other cultures, unlike many from the Upper Midwest. It really is a shame that a large metropolitan area like the Twin Cities has the issues with its Native American, Hispanic, and other populations that it does - just from hearing about the negative comments from many whites in the area - even at county jobs (I know. I'm there.)

Also, I'm interested in other areas of the country, unlike yourselves. You may find a post or two by me in the Delaware section, since I was born and raised there. Virginia, too - did my undergrad work there and lived in Arlington for three years and Richmond for ten. Also, spent 6 months in a suburb near Philadelphia, and six months in Norfolk, Virginia, for grad school work, and a year in Milwaukee for grad school work. I'm open to other places, like reading what people have to say, and like to offer my help since I've lived in these places for sometime. I'm not an insular person. On-line or off.

[tecpatl]

Originally Posted by Brantacanadensis

Only because I've have an interest in relocating to Santa Fe, and have been thinking of the Southwest as a new place for several years now. I prefer a dry climate, and less population (smaller cities), however certainly not ones which are all white. Another reason for my interest in the Southwest is its long standing Native American and Hispanic culture, of which I am neither, however I enjoy learning and interacting with people of other cultures, unlike many from the Upper Midwest. It really is a shame that a large metropolitan area like the Twin Cities has the issues with its Native American, Hispanic, and other populations that it does - just from hearing about the negative comments from many whites in the area - even at county jobs (I know. I'm there.)

Also, I'm interested in other areas of the country, unlike yourselves. You may find a post or two by me in the Delaware section, since I was born and raised there. Virginia, too - did my undergrad work there and lived in Arlington for three years and Richmond for ten. Also, spent 6 months in a suburb near Philadelphia, and six months in Norfolk, Virginia, for grad school work, and a year in Milwaukee for grad school work. I'm open to other places, like reading what people have to say, and like to offer my help since I've lived in these places for sometime. I'm not an insular person. On-line or off.

Call me a judgemental Scandihoovian, but I think you'll find attitudes and behavior similar to what you're complaining about just about anywhere you go...Coincidence?? I think probably not, eh?

[Towanda]

Kind of a karma thing, Brantacanadensis.

You will usually get treated the way you treat other people.

Your anger oozes through your post. As a future resident of Santa Fe, I find myself hoping you choose another place to move to.

[jaroodude]

Brantacanadensis,


I appreciate your comments. I view them as that of an astute observer. I surmise you are highly educated, well read and a caring individual. I see a value for the truth in your posts. I don't hear any hatred or vitriol (fear) in your reference to the "ethnic," "cultural," or "social" traits of the people you live around. I know that just because something is "negative" doesn't mean it is "bad."

But "negative" (as you no doubt know) will often elicit a "negative" reaction. I'm afraid it's human nature :-)

I also agree with the others who's experience is, that you will find exactly who you are looking for, no matter where you go. But that being said I am specifically moving to New Mexico as a result of what I see as a very real humanitarian distinction between it and say Texas (#1 state for capital punishment.) There are differences which are institutionalized in the laws and customs of individual states. Based on my experience and frame of reference, I consider New Mexico one of (if not the) most humane states left in the United States.


Oh BTW did you like the movie, "Fly Away Home?"



Best regards,

Jared

[Brantacanadensis]

Originally Posted by jaroodude

Brantacanadensis,


I appreciate your comments. I view them as that of an astute observer. I surmise you are highly educated, well read and a caring individual. I see a value for the truth in your posts. I don't hear any hatred or vitriol (fear) in your reference to the "ethnic," "cultural," or "social" traits of the people you live around. I know that just because something is "negative" doesn't mean it is "bad."

But "negative" (as you no doubt know) will often elicit a "negative" reaction. I'm afraid it's human nature :-)

I also agree with the others who's experience is, that you will find exactly who you are looking for, no matter where you go. But that being said I am specifically moving to New Mexico as a result of what I see as a very real humanitarian distinction between it and say Texas (#1 state for capital punishment.) There are differences which are institutionalized in the laws and customs of individual states. Based on my experience and frame of reference, I consider New Mexico one of (if not the) most humane states left in the United States.


Oh BTW did you like the movie, "Fly Away Home?"



Best regards,

Jared

Thank you. Yes, the movie was grand. And, you are very smart for either knowing what the moniker means or at least looking it up. As for humanitarian states, I consider New Mexico with its long standing democratic status to speak for its humanitarian nature. I consider it grand that Santa Fe has the highest mandatory minimum wage in the country and the fact that it is a non-smoking city. New Mexico also has a similar smoking ban, although perhaps not as stringent as Santa Fe's, from what I've been researching. I suspect from its demographics, that it has a very warm and open culture. I can't say if I'll end up there, but I certainly won't let the Kansan's remark change my mind.

[jaroodude]

Keith,

Google (big brother) is wonderful (when used to further understanding,) isn't it :-)

I don't really know what your nic means. Would you be willing to share?

One of the reasons I feel New Mexico is one of the bastions of democracy left standing in the United States, is that by law, school districts can not suspend or expel students for tardiness or truancy. Duh! A kid skips school, so lets suspend him. A bit like trying to put a fire out by dousing it with gasoline :-(

Personally, I judge a community by how it treats its children and it's criminals... (mat:25:40)

Jared

[mortimer]

Brantacanadensis posted on and on:

> ... whiny native whites ... usually a Scandinavian thing ...
> ... classic Minnesotan behavior ... It's a very uptight culture ...

Same rant, different race/state. This time it's self-loathing.

I find it just as annoying to have to listen to people trash other races, the other sex, etc. as it is to listen to occidentals trash other occidentals just because they are occidentals.

Towanda responded:

> Your anger oozes through your post. ...

You left out [run-on] - run-on post(s). It is really tiring to have to read posts with no white spaces (that's white as in the opposite color of the text), no paragraph breaks, constant switching of topics, etc.

Come to think of it; perhaps two of the named posters in this and other threads might actually be the same person.

[nanu]

If you haven't realized no matter where you go you will have friendly and unfriendly people. I lived there for 25 yrs and its just like everywhere else what a stupid question