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Old 11-16-2018, 09:16 PM
 
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Head to the Boxcar and maybe find you'll some drunk cops brawling


https://www.krqe.com/news/new-mexico...ght/1421676675
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Old 11-17-2018, 09:03 AM
 
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Back in the late 90s there was an article in the Rock Mountain News about violence against Native Americans - the only ethnic group to be more likely to be attacked by a

white man than the other way around.
When I mentioned violence on the rez, I'm not talking about white men attacking natives. I'm talking about violence within the rez itself - between and among its own people. This is much more prevalent and occurs with much greater frequency.
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Old 12-12-2018, 10:28 PM
 
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I'm not sure Mr. Fauquier , You may have to get a life of your own.





Lol I think a simple look at my forum activity will reveal that I have a life of my own ...







Anyways to end this post on a positive note , may be Delmarva Swamp God be with you .
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Old 12-12-2018, 10:32 PM
 
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FWIW I must say that I consider it strange that ( presumably ) redneck white males would start fights with Native American males in this day and age . I mean I definitely agree that there's still a good bit of tension between redneck white males and black males in certain parts of the present day USA , but in my experience the groups of men with a redneck background and men with a Native American background tend to very much get along , especially if said men with a Native American background happen to have a good command of the English language .





Would it be worth setting up a separate thread for this topic ? What do y'all think ?
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Old Yesterday, 11:56 AM
 
Location: Silver Hill, Albuquerque
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FWIW I must say that I consider it strange that ( presumably ) redneck white males would start fights with Native American males in this day and age . I mean I definitely agree that there's still a good bit of tension between redneck white males and black males in certain parts of the present day USA , but in my experience the groups of men with a redneck background and men with a Native American background tend to very much get along , especially if said men with a Native American background happen to have a good command of the English language .

Would it be worth setting up a separate thread for this topic ? What do y'all think ?
I think you've probably received about all the constructive feedback you're likely to get on this topic and starting a new thread will just trigger a bunch of rehashes of the responses you've already seen.

That said, you're absolutely wrong about border-town reservation violence: racist resentment towards natives in places like Gallup or Farmington is very, very real and frequently spills over into violence, especially towards native folks who are incapacitated or otherwise unlikely to retaliate or positively identify their accusers. It doesn't fit within your rubric of "bar fights" so you may not be interested, but some simple Google searches will confirm what I and grad_student2020 are saying.

Edit: it took me about 5 minutes to track the following articles down. But there are many, many others, and it would likely be the same for any border town near a large reservation anywhere in the US or Canada:

https://www.denverpost.com/2006/07/1...y-of-n-m-town/
http://www.rdrnews.com/archive/?p=50979
https://www.abqjournal.com/68573/far...y-is-safe.html
https://www.navajotimes.com/ae/commu...iolence-blame/
https://www.abqjournal.com/upfront/1...nt07-19-09.htm
https://www.abqjournal.com/1106878/y...-20-years.html
https://www.abqjournal.com/434378/ma...h-navajos.html
http://www.santafenewmexican.com/new...e657dd145.html
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Old Yesterday, 05:35 PM
 
Location: Gallup, NM
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That said, you're absolutely wrong about border-town reservation violence: racist resentment towards natives in places like Gallup or Farmington is very, very real and frequently spills over into violence, especially towards native folks who are incapacitated or otherwise unlikely to retaliate or positively identify their accusers. It doesn't fit within your rubric of "bar fights" so you may not be interested, but some simple Google searches will confirm what I and grad_student2020 are saying.
I don't think the violence in Gallup is about race. From what I've seen, the violence is more about alcohol and young folks. The majority is Native on Native violence. Because alcohol is illegal on all surrounding reservations, Gallup is where rez folks go to drink. They come to town, buy beer or GD or K'os Diwolii, get drunk drunk, and pass out on the streets. The older drunks are more laid back, like to laugh, etc. The younger drunks get angry and violent. Most often, these youngsters fight each other for trivial reasons and occasionally kill each other in the streets.

Farmington is the place to go if you're interested in racism. In Farmington, there are three rivers and a lot of prime farm land. Before Americans, the Spaniards left that land to the Utes and Navajos. Ute and Navajo nations had an agreement where the San Juan River (at the time called Rio de los Navajos) formed the boundary between them. When Americans came, a lot of white folks squatted the land and stole it. In fact, in the late 1800's, soldiers from Fort Wingate were called out numerous times to chase off white squatters or to quell wars and uprisings tied to that land. There is a lot of bad blood and sentiment that persists to this day. If you read Broken Circle, you'll get an idea. Also, in 2010, some white guys branded a swastika into a mentally disabled Navajo kid (source: Man accused of branding swastika on Navajo - US news - Crime & courts | NBC News). I tend to avoid Farmington at all costs because everybody there, native or white, is crazy.
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Old Yesterday, 07:20 PM
 
Location: New Mexico U.S.A.
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Also, in 2010, some white guys branded a swastika into a mentally disabled Navajo kid (source: Man accused of branding swastika on Navajo - US news - Crime & courts | NBC News). I tend to avoid Farmington at all costs because everybody there, native or white, is crazy.
That is a off-topic from - How common are bar fights in Northern New Mexico ?
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Old Yesterday, 08:22 PM
 
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I think you've probably received about all the constructive feedback you're likely to get on this topic and starting a new thread will just trigger a bunch of rehashes of the responses you've already seen.

That said, you're absolutely wrong about border-town reservation violence: racist resentment towards natives in places like Gallup or Farmington is very, very real and frequently spills over into violence, especially towards native folks who are incapacitated or otherwise unlikely to retaliate or positively identify their accusers. It doesn't fit within your rubric of "bar fights" so you may not be interested, but some simple Google searches will confirm what I and grad_student2020 are saying.

Edit: it took me about 5 minutes to track the following articles down. But there are many, many others, and it would likely be the same for any border town near a large reservation anywhere in the US or Canada:

https://www.denverpost.com/2006/07/1...y-of-n-m-town/
Ex-deputy indicted in beating of Navajo man | Roswell Daily Record | Roswell Area News
https://www.abqjournal.com/68573/far...y-is-safe.html
https://www.navajotimes.com/ae/commu...iolence-blame/
https://www.abqjournal.com/upfront/1...nt07-19-09.htm
https://www.abqjournal.com/1106878/y...-20-years.html
https://www.abqjournal.com/434378/ma...h-navajos.html
Co-defendant recounts deadly beating of homeless Navajo men | Local News | santafenewmexican.com

Oh I'm not saying I doubt that white on native violence occurs man , it's just that it surprises me .



I guess that's just me never having been west of West Virginia and all , but in my personal experience redneck white people tend to get along far better with people of native descent than with say people of black descent . Which is why the idea of starting up a thread about that topic in the General US forum popped into my head ...


Do you think that would be a good idea by the way ? I'm kinda on the fence about it cause race is obviously a very touchy subject , but I've actually got some non offensive theories I'm thinking about sharing , so I'm just trying to get a sense of whether it would be worth it .
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Old Today, 09:32 AM
 
Location: New Mexico U.S.A.
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Money well spent!
Maybe we can get some money to do our own study....
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Old Today, 09:44 AM
 
Location: Sunnyvale, CA
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Amazingly, East Coasters still tend to have very outdated and incorrect ideas about what the western U.S. is like....
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