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Old 03-15-2019, 03:18 PM
 
Location: Abu Al-Qurq
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U.S. federal law pre-empts state laws restricting abortion, making this somewhat moot, at least until when and if the Supreme Court changes its mind.

What I found surprising was how most senators, including many on the D side, wanted it to stay illegal in NM.
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Old 03-18-2019, 08:18 AM
 
Location: 32°19'03.7"N 106°43'55.9"W
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Without reading the article, I will guess that almost all Democrats that opposed the bill are Hispanic Catholics. As much as I enjoy living here, this state's population aligns completely counter to me: it is a very socially conservative state, but ultimately the handouts prevail. State government will tax you seven ways to Sunday, and unfortunately, the majority sees government as a means to provide for the less fortunate, rather than charity.

I would ask those 8 Democrats that voted against the bill who is supposed to pay for that child once it is born into the world. Their natural response would be that taxpayers should. 5 out of 6 pre-kindergarten kids enrolled in a daycare center in this state are having the bill paid for by the state. It's a disgrace.
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Old 03-18-2019, 12:15 PM
 
Location: Østenfor sol og vestenfor måne
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What I found surprising was how most senators, including many on the D side, wanted it to stay illegal in NM.
Outside the Albuquerque-Santa Fe area, Hispanic Democrats are a 17th century brand of Catholic. Only a slight exaggeration there.
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Old 03-18-2019, 12:20 PM
 
Location: New Mexico U.S.A.
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New Mexico Senate upholds dormant ban on abortion
Morgan Lee, Associated Press Published 12:35 p.m. MT March 15, 2019

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SANTA FE - The New Mexico state Senate voted Thursday to uphold the state’s dormant criminal ban on abortion, as states across the country re-evaluate local abortion laws in case the U.S. Supreme Court overturns a 1973 decision that made the procedure legal nationwide.

The Democrat-led Senate voted 24-18 Thursday against a bill that would have removed the state’s prohibition on abortion.

The bill was supported by Democratic Gov. Michelle Lujan Grisham and approved by the Legislature’s more politically progressive House.

A 1969 New Mexico statute made it a felony for an abortion provider to terminate a pregnancy, with exceptions for rape, birth defects and serious threats to a woman’s health. The law has been unenforceable for 45 years because of the high court’s ruling.

New Mexico is one of several states that retain abortion bans that are not enforced because of the Supreme Court decision.
Entire Article At: https://www.lcsun-news.com/story/new...rt/3173317002/
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Old 03-18-2019, 02:15 PM
 
Location: Albuquerque, NM
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The majority of New Mexicans are in favor of legal abortion.

Religion in America: U.S. Religious Data, Demographics and Statistics | Pew Research Center
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Old 03-19-2019, 10:52 AM
 
Location: New Mexico
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I would ask those 8 Democrats that voted against the bill who is supposed to pay for that child once it is born into the world. Their natural response would be that taxpayers should.
Why wouldn't you ask the 16 Republicans who voted against it the same thing?
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Old 03-19-2019, 12:46 PM
 
Location: New Mexico
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Oh, and, no surprise: 7 of the 8 Dems who voted against it were men.
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Old 03-19-2019, 03:35 PM
 
Location: Abu Al-Qurq
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Oh, and, no surprise: 7 of the 8 Dems who voted against it were men.
Let's be careful about playing the gender card. A female Democrat-at-random from those constituencies would have been likely to vote the same way.

The trouble is often not that politicians adopt out-of-step policies with their constituents, but they reflect their constituents. You can call their constituents out-of-step themselves, but good luck getting them to vote for you afterward.

Given that you couldn't get an abortion in any of these districts anyway because the low population densities, poverty, and general unwelcomeness keep practitioners from setting up shop in them, I'd recommend the state consider, at the next session, leaving it up to the county level governments. A substantial number of Texas women travel to Santa Teresa NM to take advantage of NM's more lax laws. Some politician in Farmington, say, should have no say for the El Paso suburbs, nor the reverse.
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Old 03-19-2019, 05:17 PM
 
Location: 32°19'03.7"N 106°43'55.9"W
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Why wouldn't you ask the 16 Republicans who voted against it the same thing?
I would.
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Old 03-19-2019, 09:04 PM
 
Location: New Mexico
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Let's be careful about playing the gender card. A female Democrat-at-random from those constituencies would have been likely to vote the same way.

The trouble is often not that politicians adopt out-of-step policies with their constituents, but they reflect their constituents. You can call their constituents out-of-step themselves, but good luck getting them to vote for you afterward.
Point taken but unfortunately gender bias in the state senate is severe, and there was pressure from out-of-state anti-abortion lobbyists. When your constituents are 50.5% women and there are only 8 out of 42 state senators who are women (19%), that is not an accurate reflection of the constituents state-wide. If those numbers were reversed, do you have any doubt the bill would have passed?
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