NAIS for us? (buying, organic, tax)

[Minathebrat]

Rich, don't be silly. I wasn't implying that NAIS if from Nazi Germany, the use of the word gestapo has now come to be used to describe any organization, especially governmental, using extremely heavy-handed and punitive methods of operation.

Sorry if I offended you with my choice of words, but feel free to ignore whatever you want. This is supposed to be a free country...which is why, incidentally, I'm opposed to the NAIS in it's current incarnation.

[Lovehound]

Just reading the topic and not having done any other research, the principle of NAIS at least in terms of goals sounds like a good one (protect the public health) but the way it sounds like it's intended to be carried out I don't see how anybody other than big business can possibly make any profits. I expect it would drive small operators out of business, and all that would be left would be the big corporations who would pass on the increased costs to consumers in the form of higher prices.

Something should be done to protect our health, but I don't think this is it. They should go back to the drawing boards and come back with something less onerous.

[Minathebrat]

I agree Lovehound. Nicely said. There are major flaws. If you are a private homestead raising animals for your own consumption, this is unwarranted. Homesteads and small organic and family farms are really going to suffer because of this. Was this designed to run them out of business? I really don't know, but it has that as a by-product, which I feel is wrong.

Another major flaw I find is that big agricultural "farms" wouldn't have to comply with the same tag standards and hence not pay all the fees- they would only have to buy one tag per so many animals..I forget how many, but it might have been 1000? My memory isn't the best for numbers and it's been some time since I've delved into this quagmire. Since large agricultural operations are where we get most of our food supply from, I'm not sure how giving them lesser standards is helping to secure the food supply. So how come the small farmers have to pay alot more in fees with less animals than big agri-biz?

Anyway, I know Arizona has passed a state law saying that no farmer/livestock owner-because this applies to people who just own horses too, - has to sign up for this program. However, like the op stated, not every state is passing laws to protect it's citizens like that. I'm saddened that New Mexico isn't following suit, since I plan to own animals in New Mexico. I will have to do some homework on the topic and how New Mexico plans to implement. I really don't want to have to "report" and probably pay a fee everytime I want to take my horse off my land to go on a trail ride!

It's no secret that the USDA has promised $$ to state agriculture departments who encourage people to "voluntarily" sign up for NAIS, by doing things like not accepting their child's 4H animal into the state fair unless they are...I thought that was pretty low.

I found a good website that I had read sometime ago- I went looking for it- which sums up what NAIS means to consumers and pet owners, as well as small homesteaders and farmers. Quick and informative.

NoNAIS.org » Can NAIS affect me?

Granted this is a anti-NAIS site, but it brings up good points, and well, hey, I'm against it too. lol

[sjbasin]

Aw crap. I keep bees. 30,000 to 50,000 per hive during the peak in the summer. I'm gonna need a gubmint bailout just to buy a few million of those tags. And my bees don't have ears, so I'm wondering what I'm gonna fix 'em to.

[rybert]

Ponch

This is serious stuff. Let me know how you like having your RFID scanned at the grocery store in a decade or so. Something tells me you'll be muttering "Damn Nazi's."

[Lovehound]

Originally Posted by Minathebrat

If you are a private homestead raising animals for your own consumption, this is unwarranted...

Another major flaw I find is that big agricultural "farms" wouldn't have to comply with the same tag standards and hence not pay all the fees- they would only have to buy one tag per so many animals..I forget how many, but it might have been 1000?

Woah, what? Place all the burden on individuals and small farms, but practically exempt big business? That is just so wrong!!!

People who raise farm animals for their own consumption and not for sale should be exempted.

Actually I was even thinking of trying to raise my own chickens some day. Me, a city boy!

[Lovehound]

Originally Posted by sjbasin

Aw crap. I keep bees. 30,000 to 50,000 per hive during the peak in the summer. I'm gonna need a gubmint bailout just to buy a few million of those tags. And my bees don't have ears, so I'm wondering what I'm gonna fix 'em to.

Maybe you could just shove the tags up their ... stingers?

Jeez, I don't even know if those little critters could even get airborne after they've been RFID'd.

[Poncho_NM]

Originally Posted by Minathebrat

Rich, don't be silly. I wasn't implying that NAIS if from Nazi Germany, the use of the word gestapo has now come to be used to describe any organization, especially governmental, using extremely heavy-handed and punitive methods of operation.

Your whole statement is a whole pile of camel dung.

Originally Posted by Minathebrat

Sorry if I offended you with my choice of words,

You did not offend me. Disgust is a better choice of words.

Originally Posted by Minathebrat

but feel free to ignore whatever you want.

I don't need your permission for anything. What, and let ingrates offend my family, friends and country?

Originally Posted by Minathebrat

This is supposed to be a free country...

This is a free country, There is no supposed about it, But because of ignorance, some people try to destroy as much as they can. Are you one of those people? Do do even know what the Gestapo was? What they did? Their ideals? You think what this country is You think that is what I am? Gestapo - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Originally Posted by Minathebrat

which is why, incidentally, I'm opposed to the NAIS in it's current incarnation.

That is one of your freedoms. The freedom to think and oppose. Good luck

Rich

[Minathebrat]

Ouch! Think I hit a hot button completely accidentally. Rich, the word is used in commonplace english and I honestly didn't mean to offend/disgust you. Now I've let slide camel dung, and calling me an offensive ingrate, which you did mean to be personally offensive towards me, so let's drop it shall we?

Let's get back to NAIS.

[Poncho_NM]

Originally Posted by Minathebrat

so let's drop it shall we?

Agreed. Consider it a hand shake.



Rich