Skinwalkers? (Navajo: live in, military, airplane)

[WasSoggyInSeattle]

Another good book - Thunderheads by Lincoln Childs & Douglas Preston (I think, I always mix up their names). Set more in Utah if I remember correctly, but talks about skinwalkers, chaco canyon, aztecs... A good, spooky read.

Big lesson learned - there are things out there that cannot be explained and perhaps shouldn't be explained. We don't know everything this world (and others) have to offer. And besides, isn't more fun to believe than not?

The other lesson - don't get caught in the canyonlands during a flash flood!!

[bigduly]

Originally Posted by clairz

Bigduly, little people? Got a story?

This is a great thread. It's not often that most of us get a chance to hear these stories. Thank you to everyone who has responded so far.

~clairz

Little people!!! Not dwarfs, tiny people. People were encountering these tiny people at night around the plaza area. One story comes from four witnesses. The witnesses were leaving their fraternal house (not college fraternities, but religious fraternities) They got into the car, when one of them saw a tiny person standing on the hood of another car. At first they didn't know what it was. But it hopped of the car and went running towards the church. They got out of the car and watched it, till they lost sight of it. They got into the car and went to go drop each other off. Later that next day word got out about this tiny person, during cooking time at the shalako houses. It is believed that there is a village under the plaza area. If you go to mesa verde and see the dwellings. You would see that the doors where short. After the stories got out. The local housing renovation program began demoing a house near the plaza. The works tore down the house, right down to it's foundation. When they began to dig the foundation, they went at least three more feet down. That's when they uncovered one foot tunnels going different ways. They took pictures and then covered the tunnels. It's been awhile since any sightings have been reported. There is also the story of the stealth bomber that crashed on the mesas. People think it's a cover up story. People around here believe it was a UFO. Witnesses reported hearing a explosion, but no sound of airplane noise before the crash. From the crash site, it is about three miles from the nearest house. And this happened around 11pm. That next morning military vehicles came from all directions sealing of three miles each direction from the crash site. We didn't see any stealth bomber wreckage pass through the village. All we saw were container trucks coming in and out. Large trucks hauling something heavily wrapped. The military was at that site for months. After that no one was allowed to go near the site. It is still red taped where the crash occurred. When news reports came out, there where no reports of the pilots dying or ejecting from the bomber. I have more stories I could tell. Has anyone ever heard a ghost cry?

[clairz]

Originally Posted by bigduly

I have more stories I could tell. Has anyone ever heard a ghost cry?

Go on please, I'm listening!

~clairz

[desert sun]

Originally Posted by clairz

Go on please, I'm listening!

~clairz

you should google something about New Mexico witchcraft and you can find some books on these local stories, There are all kinds of stories in Northern NM in the little Spanish villages about witches and also skinwalkers on the reservations.

[john4355]

I'm the kind of person who doesn't have weird experiences with ghosts and the like, but one time when I was a teenager and a boy scout we were staying at the Navajo boarding school in Fort Wingate (near Gallup). It was in December and sometime in the evening we looked out the windows in the wing of the building we were staying at and saw that it was snowing. Throughout the rest of the evening we would look out the window to see if it was still snowing while we played. One of these times I looked out and saw a person walking out in the snow. I told my friends and we all quickly got flashlights and shined at the person. From what I could see, it looked like a older Navajo man very well bundled up and walking along the side of our building. As he got close to our window, we all turned our flashlights off and hid so he wouldn't see us. When we looked out the window (assuming he would have passed by then) there was noboby outside. We then ran outside and saw footprints in the snow that suddenly stopped. I've never been able to come up with any explanation other than he just disappeared.
I don't doubt the existence of a lot of things that are reported to happen on the res and I love hearing skinwalker stories. Keep them coming.

[clairz]

Originally Posted by desert sun

you should google something about New Mexico witchcraft and you can find some books on these local stories, There are all kinds of stories in Northern NM in the little Spanish villages about witches and also skinwalkers on the reservations.

Sure, I've done that and continue to do so, but I really treasure these stories coming from the people who've lived them. It just adds an incredible dimension to what I'm learning about our state.

~clairz

[CelticLady1]

Interesting stuff, and cool stories, y'all! Keep 'em coming!

[hoppybunn]

I am not really familiar with this legend as I'm not Navajo, but strangely enough a lot of the things that I read from that article basically made a light bulb go off in my head. So after reading that wiki post about skin-walkers....a LOT of things that my cousin has told me about my dad is starting to make sense. I haven't seen him since I was 9 and actually my cousin knows him better than I do (he lived with my aunt and my cousins for a few years after my parents got divorced). Maybe it's a good thing I didn't grow up with him in the house. And to those of you who are going out hunting for ghosts and such on reservations.....don't mess with what you don't know, sure you may not believe in some of the stories it doesn't mean there aren't things out there that you don't understand. For example the San Jacinto mountains where my tribe is located in SoCal, has plenty of stories of hikers that climbed Tahquitz mountain and never returned and their bodies are found in strange positions (such as just sitting on a rock, dead). Anyone from my tribe knows not to go up those mountains since an evil Shaman named Tahquitz lives there and is known to eat souls of tribal members (and maybe a hiker or two). I know some of you don't believe in this stuff (though of course it seems a lot of you are willing to as well) but too many stories have been told to me and too many things have happened to make me believe that things we don't really understand exist.

[Cathy4017]

Originally Posted by hoppybunn

I And to those of you who are going out hunting for ghosts and such on reservations.....don't mess with what you don't know, sure you may not believe in some of the stories it doesn't mean there aren't things out there that you don't understand.....I know some of you don't believe in this stuff (though of course it seems a lot of you are willing to as well).....too many things have happened to make me believe that things we don't really understand exist.

I tend to agree with this.

[bigduly]

Originally Posted by clairz

Go on please, I'm listening!

~clairz

Ghost tend to cry whenever someone dies or when it's raining. It's like a heavy toned moan. The strangest I've heard a ghost cry happened several weeks ago. We were attending a wake for my grandma. We were standing outside at about 3 in the morning. And suddenly we could hear this loud moaning coming from the cemetery area. We figured it was coyotes, but after the moaning started the coyotes started howling. Then another moan came from within the village cemetery. Then we heard some more moaning coming from the west. We believe our heavens are towards the west of the reservation. All the moaning startled the dogs. And they too started howling. This happened for a good three minutes. Then the moaning suddenly stopped and all the howling stopped. The moaning and howling stopped at the same time. I had goosebumps for about ten minutes