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Mike are you sure that is all they have to show? I don't know, I am just asking..I do know companies hire illegals by turning their backs, I also know if they get caught they can be in big du-du, I don't think some of the companies you mention will take the chance.
As much as I miss something in NM, I love our system of cross checking. In order to vote, we have to show ID, proof of residency and sign a form, stating we are who we say we are. To get a drivers license we have to have a passport or our birth certificates. I am sure there are some who manage to get away with things, but they are few and far between. We do have a small population of people from Mexico living here. They work in the Chicken factories. I do get upset from time to time as many think all Mexicans here are illegals. I am sure many are not.
Vinegaroon, I think you are really off base, sure many illegals work in the fields and some in the processing plants, but they are not all illegals, and NO, we do not owe them free anything......
Nita
Well, we agree to disagree. I think you are way off base. Give me a break, we encourage illegals. They are everywhere. You can't have your cake and eat it too.
you use the word; Mexicans, most of us are referring to illegals. You are right ,many Mexicans are very conservtive. I have a grandson in law, he is 1/2 spanish whose grandparents live in Las Vegas, NM. Talk about conservative, he makes Rush look like a socialist..
Not to try and put too fine a point on it, but when I say Mexicans I mean people from Mexico, not US citizens of Mexican or Hispanic descent.
The latter could be Mexican-American in a cultural heritage sense, I suppose, though I find that, especially in Northern New Mexico, people seem to prefer pretending their ancestors came from Spain rather than Mexico. I'm not sure why that's important, but I see it a lot.
Anybody know why that's a big deal? I mean, certainly there were immigrants directly from Spain in New Mexico, but I suspect most except the very earliest were Mestizo...thus Mexican.
I'm mostly Norwegian/Swedish/Finnish, with a 32nd Native American (Anishnaabe/Ojibwa) but refer to my own heritage as Scandihoovian. I'd probably call myself Chippewa if I had enough Indian blood to qualify for the casino profit sharing, but noooooooooo....
Not to try and put too fine a point on it, but when I say Mexicans I mean people from Mexico, not US citizens of Mexican or Hispanic descent.
The latter could be Mexican-American in a cultural heritage sense, I suppose, though I find that, especially in Northern New Mexico, people seem to prefer pretending their ancestors came from Spain rather than Mexico. I'm not sure why that's important, but I see it a lot.
Anybody know why that's a big deal? I mean, certainly there were immigrants directly from Spain in New Mexico, but I suspect most except the very earliest were Mestizo...thus Mexican.
I'm mostly Norwegian/Swedish/Finnish, with a 32nd Native American (Anishnaabe/Ojibwa) but refer to my own heritage as Scandihoovian. I'd probably call myself Chippewa if I had enough Indian blood to qualify for the casino profit sharing, but noooooooooo....
I agree with you on this. And yes, those in the northern part of the state do seem to always say they are spanish, not Mexican. I don't know about my grandson in laws family, they, too say they are spanish, but who knows??? Conservative they are, he is the only 24 year old I know that would make my husband look liberal....
Conservative as in smaller government operating with balanced budgets or conservative as in "what's mine is mine and what's yours is up for grabs by monopoly business and usurious loans"?
The former is tolerable, the latter is just another thief.
Not to try and put too fine a point on it, but when I say Mexicans I mean people from Mexico, not US citizens of Mexican or Hispanic descent.
The latter could be Mexican-American in a cultural heritage sense, I suppose, though I find that, especially in Northern New Mexico, people seem to prefer pretending their ancestors came from Spain rather than Mexico. I'm not sure why that's important, but I see it a lot.
Anybody know why that's a big deal? I mean, certainly there were immigrants directly from Spain in New Mexico, but I suspect most except the very earliest were Mestizo...thus Mexican.
I'm mostly Norwegian/Swedish/Finnish, with a 32nd Native American (Anishnaabe/Ojibwa) but refer to my own heritage as Scandihoovian. I'd probably call myself Chippewa if I had enough Indian blood to qualify for the casino profit sharing, but noooooooooo....
Based on my understanding of the history of New Mexico, the folks that consider themselves 'Spanish' are of Spanish descent, meaning they are the descendants of those early explorers who founded Santa Fe, etc. Consequently, these are people who have lived their entire lives in New Mexico and have no connection to Mexico whatsoever. Their ancestors may have passed through Mexico upon arrival from Spain, but that is the extent of their connection to Mexico.
Some may or may not have intermarried with indigenous peoples, but it still quite likely that some can trace a direct line back to Spain as many descendants of the Pilgrims can trace their lineage back to Britain or the Netherlands.
Governance over the territories originally settled by Spain did eventually transfer to Mexico after Mexico was granted independence from Spain but that did not happen until 1821. The Spanish had already been in New Mexico for 300 years by that time (Santa Fe was founded in 1515).
The Spanish settlers who came to New Mexico, came via Mexico after having lived there for several generations. So whether these people are of Mexican or Spanish decent is really a matter of semantics. I would think people in New Mexico who consider themselves of Spanish decent, do so to differntiate themselves from more recent arrivals from Mexico.
I agree with you on this. And yes, those in the northern part of the state do seem to always say they are spanish, not Mexican. I don't know about my grandson in laws family, they, too say they are spanish, but who knows??? Conservative they are, he is the only 24 year old I know that would make my husband look liberal....
actually he might be conservative in all ways, but I think he is still to young to understand the Big Business part.
Based on my understanding of the history of New Mexico, the folks that consider themselves 'Spanish' are of Spanish descent, meaning they are the descendants of those early explorers who founded Santa Fe, etc. Consequently, these are people who have lived their entire lives in New Mexico and have no connection to Mexico whatsoever. Their ancestors may have passed through Mexico upon arrival from Spain, but that is the extent of their connection to Mexico.
Some may or may not have intermarried with indigenous peoples, but it still quite likely that some can trace a direct line back to Spain as many descendants of the Pilgrims can trace their lineage back to Britain or the Netherlands.
Governance over the territories originally settled by Spain did eventually transfer to Mexico after Mexico was granted independence from Spain but that did not happen until 1821. The Spanish had already been in New Mexico for 300 years by that time (Santa Fe was founded in 1515).
I'll certainly agree that folks consider themselves Spanish by some real, or more likely familial legend connection to an early Spanish settler. It's estimated there were almost 3,000 Spaniards (Spanish descent, even if born and raised in Mexico or New Spain like Onate) here the high point in the 17th century. But, of course, virtually every one of them was gone after the Pueblo revolt of 1680, and not all that many of the survivors returned when De Vargas crept back here with 800 settlers (a number of them Indians who had left with the Spanish earlier) in 1693. This territory was just too nasty for most of the true Spanish who really preferred the more cultivated, and certainly safer, territories in Mexico (NS).
So this is a long way to say I think most people claiming to be Spanish just don't like the idea of being identified as Mexican in descent. Heck,even the born-in-Spain Spanish ( Gachupines) looked down on other pure blooded Spanish if they were born in Mexico (Criollos), and the Criollos looked down on Mestizos who in turn looked wayyyy down on los Indios, (and still do in a lot of Mexico).
It's just an amusing bit of snobbery for most, I think, though there's certainly nothing wrong with celebrating one's distant heritage.
The certain evidence of crypto-Jewish ancestors in New Mexico (undeniable due to genetically inherited maladies) is less known, or even spoken of. But this was, of course, a result of immigrants from Spain, though they may have felt more like exiles to new and dangerous lands at the time. (move to New Mexico or be garrotted as a heritic?)
My family were boatbuilders from North of Trondheim (Vikings thru and thru) but the only time I think of myself as Viking is when my lovely wife feels like some good ol pillage and plunder. Arrrrghhhhh!!
Anyway...all a part of the fascinating history of this state.
The Spanish settlers who came to New Mexico, came via Mexico after having lived there for several generations. So whether these people are of Mexican or Spanish decent is really a matter of semantics. I would think people in New Mexico who consider themselves of Spanish decent, do so to differntiate themselves from more recent arrivals from Mexico.
I think you're right, domino...but that still doesn't explain the sudden appearance of Shephards Pie . New Mexico is a land of mystery.
I think you're right, domino...but that still doesn't explain the sudden appearance of Shephards Pie . New Mexico is a land of mystery.
Tecpatl, shooosh now- it's a Very old and little known fact of history that, when the Spaniards came treking into what we now know as New Mexico, looking for Cibola the city of gold; they actually found it! And what do you imagine these citizens of the city of Gold ate? Hmmmmmmmmm....but of course- Shepherds Pie!
This not written anywhere, it's passed down from word of mouth, mother to son, father to daughter
A Very Old Story
Tia Dalma
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, but noooooooooo....
one final mystery.....
. New Mexico is a land of mystery.
