Demming VS. Truth Or Consequences, NM...? (Las Cruces: 2010, hotel, college)

[PICSNAPPER]

Truly appreciate the observation & info!

[PA Escapee]

I'm sure you're right that I won't actually need more Spanish, but I may try to find a class (even if it's just Rosetta Stone) - just to better appreciate the area. Were I moving to Quebec, I'd probably study French.

I like language in general, & am curious about how the dialects differ. My untrained ear would never notice it, but I am curious about what you hear.

Thank you for your thoughts!

--PA Escapee

Originally Posted by Poncho_NM

It wouldn't hurt, but I would not expend too much energy. My native language is Spanish, but I don't speak it that well and the dialect here is a bit different for me. Ironically I probably have used my Spanish more in PA than in NM.



Rich

[PA Escapee]

While I can truly appreciate the violent fits of narcolepsy that small towns can bring... When it comes to Thrilled Chills VS Bored Snores, I'd have to side with Domino...

Originally Posted by domino

Clearly, someone considering moving to T or C or Deming is not looking for excitement generated externally. They are looking to create their own excitement. Boredom is the sign of a lazy mind.

At age 21, an active town would have been a much bigger deal for me, & I would probably insist on Las Cruces (which presently has no housing for me). Or maybe ABQ, which has colder winters & more snow than I'm presently looking for... But at 41, I am pretty low key, & pretty much self-entertained. I moved into a 1-horse-town at that age, & I absolutely hated it... The sidewalks rolled up at 8pm. They still do. And by the time I left Edinboro behind for good 20 years later, I missed it dearly... I always will. It's time to move on, but I'm homesick for it... If I drive through town, my stomach does flip-flops... Funny how things change.

Check out this review of T or C... I love the line that goes, "Though it's not a singles bar"... LOL Who writes this stuff...?? hehe

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That said, I don't how much those reviews are to be trusted. When I read, "It's worth mentioning that smart, educated people feel at home in Meadville" - a major blood vessel burst in my head at the travesty.......... Which may make this town more bearable.

What I'm really looking for at this point, is social resources.

Since T or C is something of a retirement community (though possibly not as much of one as Deming might be?) - there should be some things in place that will meet my interests & needs. Joining all the grandmas to do pottery is about my speed these days... And I am told specialists come in from Las Cruces once a month for appointments at Sierra Vista Hospital, so you don't have to make the 90 minute drive. I will likely make use of this opportunity.

I did find the T or C veterinary clinic today: Hot Springs Animal Clinic Home Page

I'm glad there is a vet hospital in town for kitty. Complete with a no-kill shelter & boarding facility in case of emergencies. That's major. A pet hospital had to be in place for him in order to go. They were kind & professional on the phone, & willing to care for his health issues.

I also found a listing for a Tai Chi class on one of the town web pages for T or C. I've been looking for one for a while now, with no luck... I was impressed. There were several more classes of various kinds where you pay by the day. These are encouraging signs of life.

I will try to take in the Old West mystique when I see rough landscape... But I will probably plant a hoard of shrubs & trees there somewhere, before my days are done... The heart wants what it wants. lol

What I need to find next is a Honda or Toyota dealership in the area.

I hope there is one. There is no public transportation bus system in T or C, & when I arrive fresh off the plane, I will need to find wheels quick... If anyone can recommend a good car dealership in the area - I'd appreciate the lead. I need to find a low profile vehicle in good shape, that can take on the high winds.

Though I have not experienced Deming, all of the people in T or C I've talked to have been pleasant, laid back, & friendly so far. It's encouraging...

TYVM for posting your views everyone... All are appreciated! Don't be afraid to disagree.

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I tried to move my car today...to go to the store...to shop ahead for this move... And I am snowed in. I cannot dislodge my van ensconced in 2 ft. of solid snow & ice. More snow is on the way. I was *pissed*... But I am going to let this Frustration motivate me.

I am scared to death to move 2K miles. An awful lot has to go right in order to pull this off. But goddammitall, I AM GOING to get out of here...........

--PA Escondida

[PA Escapee]

Ditto... Though I would like to see some tourism.

I want to see new faces... & sell them nice things...

If a town's too scabby for people to come through & spend their money, & they hold out & wait to shop for souvenirs until they get to Cruces, Deming, or Silver City, that wouldn't be a good thing.

But that's me.

-- PA

Originally Posted by PICSNAPPER

Hey 6/3, thanks for the info but I'm wondering what your suggestion of a community would be then for a say an independent SWF, mid-40s (not necessarily looking and not a club gal) used to $40,000+/yr income with a manufacturing customer relations position - relocation with the company isn't an option.

I don't think I'm interested in a big city - as I mentioned I live in a town of 22,000 which is also about an hour away from a couple of cities that are much larger so I'm used to driving if I want something that Wal-Mart doesn't have...we have no mall here...but I also don't want to drive an hour to get to work.

Somewhat laid back - but still moving; not too touristy is what I'm looking for.

I know...not many demands, huh.?. Got any suggestions?

[PA Escapee]

Thank you for sharing your inside look at the town... If you can expand on your insight & paint a picture of T or C from your point of view, I'd be interested in seeing it from your perspective...

You never know what a town is really going to be like to live in...until you get there. And talking to people who are familiar with it first hand is the next best thing to taking a tour & having a look around.

TYVM

-PA

Originally Posted by 6 FOOT 3

Your not gonna find many jobs in either deming or t or c as both towns are very small as t or c is around 7,500 and deming is around 20,000 people. Both have lots of ''sunbirds'' during the winter months from the northern states and i believe t or c has more retirees living there year round do to elephant butte reservior and the numerous hot springs there and deming has several food processing plants there that brings in a younger crowd there.

As for t or c looking rough that's true but i believe many there want it that way as it feels like an 1800's old west town as many like that nostalgia feeling. Kinda like a Bisbee or Globe, Arizona. Both deming and t or c are about 50 miles from the mogollons mountains as silver city is north of deming and west of t or c with miles upon miles of green national forest with lakes, camping and mountain streams etc.

As for needing to speak spanish.....not needed at all however the more you know the better you'll be as there are many folks from mexico in those towns especially deming as they are close to mexico.

Anything else just ask.

6/3

[pcinnm]

I moved to T. or C. 3 1/2 years ago from Battle Creek Mi. and have met alot of people from Mi. some from Pa. Ohio and on and on. We all moved here for the climate, mountains, and the feel of the area. The people feel like it did 30 years ago. There are no strangers here. My husband and I both work at the local hospital, we don't make the money we did up north but we don't spend as much either. As for the winds I've never been blown off the road! and as for snow we didn't get a flake all winter. Tomorrow is supposed to be 60 degrees and my rose bush has leaf buds on it.l

[Poncho_NM]

Originally Posted by PA Escapee

I like language in general, & am curious about how the dialects differ. My untrained ear would never notice it, but I am curious about what you hear.

Thank you for your thoughts!

I'm not a proficient linguist. I failed mandatory Spanish in the seventh grade. There are more than 20 variations/dialects of Spanish. My father was from Spain and he spoke what is loosely called Castilian Spanish, more specifically "Galego" and my mother grew up in the Dominican Republic, which is more of a "Latin American" dialect. I have found alot of native New Mexicans who do not speak Spanish. Yes, Puerto Ricans do speak faster than Castilian's.

BTW, I would rather live in T or C. I've known people there over the years.



Rich

[6 FOOT 3]

Originally Posted by PA Escapee

Thank you for sharing your inside look at the town... If you can expand on your insight & paint a picture of T or C from your point of view, I'd be interested in seeing it from your perspective...

You never know what a town is really going to be like to live in...until you get there. And talking to people who are familiar with it first hand is the next best thing to taking a tour & having a look around.

TYVM

-PA

The best person to answer your questions about T or C is current resident and poster ''Highdesertmutz'' as he/she is a welth of knowledge when it comes to T or C .

[6 FOOT 3]

Originally Posted by PICSNAPPER

Hey 6/3, thanks for the info but I'm wondering what your suggestion of a community would be then for a say an independent SWF, mid-40s (not necessarily looking and not a club gal) used to $40,000+/yr income with a manufacturing customer relations position - relocation with the company isn't an option.

I don't think I'm interested in a big city - as I mentioned I live in a town of 22,000 which is also about an hour away from a couple of cities that are much larger so I'm used to driving if I want something that Wal-Mart doesn't have...we have no mall here...but I also don't want to drive an hour to get to work.

Somewhat laid back - but still moving; not too touristy is what I'm looking for.

I know...not many demands, huh.?. Got any suggestions?

Im sorry as i don't know enough about your employment field to know where the jobs might be in which cities....

6/3

[highdesertmutz]

This is a link to the Sierra County Housing Authority web page:
http://www.sierracounty.net/Director...ority_TorC.htm
This is a link to public service jobs in T or C:
http://www.city-data.com/forum/new-m...sequences.html
I might add that the city of T or C recently posted a job for a person to read utility meters, spanish speaking persons encouraged to apply. if you want more 411, let me know.
Other jobs: walmart may be hiring sales/stocker associates. A new auto parts is going to be built soon, O'reilly auto parts, and maybe seeking sales associates. dollar general stores may be hiring sales associates too in the future.
A few words about public housing applicants: there may be a waiting period for up to a year. If you need immediate housing, may I suggest purchasing a rv/travel trailer to live in. my spouse and I live in a travel trailer year round, it's not for everyone, but it's cheap!
Yes, T or C does have that sorta run down hometown look and feel to it. darn those google virtual street level vids and clips! I was trying to get people to come and stay here singlehandedly, now I guess that idea is out the window. looks like I'll have to go plant some trees and bushes and get my 55 gallon paint bucket out again. I'm truly sorry for appearance our T or C gives people to look at it is somewhat embarrassing, I apologize for the whole town. Sierra county asked the gov. for funds for projects and improvements, but bill turned us down, all of a sudden he's a conservative, which just goes to show people that demmies too can be conservatives when they want to be.
I have heard, but do not know for sure, that deming is much windier than T or C, at least that's what people say. The climate here is warm and dry, hot in summer, monsoon rains of july and august drench the high desert, and suddenly, the hills and mountains turn green again. If you need to see green all of the time, buy yourself some houseplants, and keep them watered. In 2006, we visited the gila n.f., and were told that because of a 5 year drought, virtually everything was a tinderbox. there was no snow or rain enough for a 5 year period of time, and you could start a forest fire by just using your x-ray vision. everything turned green again and creeks and rivers flowed again in 2007, and the hills and mountains were green, for awhile.
What's there to do here? not much. T or C has that small town feel, as it is just a stopover in the high desert, and is surrounded by mountains. Elephant butte lake offers people recreation opportunities (a buddy of mine gave us some nice rainbow trout caught in the rio grande a few days ago) you can boat, jetski, and swim if you dare, or, you can go check out the many areas of nearby forests of gila and cibola, or visit the high desert for viewing wildlife and prospecting/rock hunting. In the summer months, people have been known to gather on street corners and play music, street jams.
this is a link to my profile: http://www.city-data.com/forum/membe...tz-342214.html
where I've done many posts about T or C and our neighboring forests, you'll have to weed thru my posts because I do like to be political at times.
If you decide to relocate here, we'll be your welcoming committee and show you around.
why are we here? it was a mistake. I came here due to health reasons, and sort of stayed here, mainly because we're sort of outdoorsy type people, we like it, but sometimes yearn for a big city. we were both born and raised in chicago, so you can see why it's been tasky getting used to small town life.
if you have questions, dm me and I'll answer as honestly as I can. good luck and welcome to city-data.
Thanks 6'3 for the heads up.
Warning: the sun shines most of the time here, and there are abundant blue skies, and may be habit forming!

Originally Posted by PA Escapee

I plan to relocate from PA to NM in the relatively near future. I will be limited to Sect. 8 housing, at least for a while. For those who have experienced both towns on more than a drive through basis, how do you feel about living in T or C, NM vs. Deming? Here is what I've observed so far in researching both towns...

When I page around in each town via Google's "Street View" feature, Deming appears to be a much more up-beat, well-kept town with far more "green space" (trees, shrubs, lawns with some color, etc.) than T or C. They care about how the town looks. The T or C town websites look clean & crisp, but when I actually look around with "Street View" - way too much square footage of T or C is falling down at best, and block after block of junky trailers & tumble weed at worst. Except for the highway in the northern end of town near the golf course, the stores seem few & far between. Don't look for a corner Rite Aid, it's not there... What is there to do in T or C...? Compared to Deming, is there much to pick from? There is barely 1 tree anywhere, & many of the ones I see appear to be dead. In contrast, the mountains closely surrounding T or C, the Rio Grande, & nearby Elephant Butte Lake really are pretty nice. Given the scenery, I wonder why don't they take better care of the town. It makes me want to join the town council, & help give the environment a face lift... T or C could use some TLC. I like the desert, & I don't expect to see Houston - but I would like to see some landscaping... The upside? Housing in T or C is readily available to me, & coming in from out of state, that is major. I can't do this in CA, where the in-state & in-county preferences will perpetually push my name down the lists. So housing is the primary factor determining my choice of towns.

I am coming from a fairly high crime area, & I want to avoid spending everything I have to move into the same situation, 2K miles away. There are plenty of druggies, dead beats, & gang boys right here in downtown Meadville, PA... So in your experience, which town would be safer to live in? Are the people more intelligent to interact with in one town vs. the other? For example, Meadville locals are a perfect balance between ignorant, obstinate, & hateful. And they drive just the same. What are the pros & cons of either town's social environments?

It also seems that Deming has more to offer in the way of the human services that someone on disability might seek. How is T or C for social services & medical care? How knowledgeable & professional are they? Can I even find a decent Veterinary clinic in T or C...? I don't have town phone books, but my searches in yellowpages.com yield few resources. My hope is that things really are there, but just aren't listed. If there's anything T or C has in the way of town content, that you think Deming actually doesn't, I am interested to hear your views.

Does T or C have many tourist shops/attractions where a person might find work? That's the kind of thing I'd like to do. What about Deming? I'd like to eventually sell various types of bead work on consignment, & I wonder if there is much of a tourist market for these in either town. One wonders if tourists even bother to venture too far off the highway into T or C... Perhaps there may be too many eye sores along even the main drags through town to encourage further exploration, and the spending of time & money. But, I also wonder if it's a safer place to sleep at night... In projects, where the neighborhoods are rarely first rate. If anyone knows anything about Deming Manor Apts, or the Housing Authority projects in T or C, I'd be curious to hear about what you've learned.

The climate data on-site suggests T or C & Deming are almost identical in monthly temperature, rainfall, humidity, & other factors. About as close as 2 cities can be. And yet, nothing is green in T or C. Except for the occasional lone, isolated shriveled bush. Causing me to wonder if it actually rains a bit more in Deming than the stats indicate, encouraging more things to grow. Based on your own experience, are they as close in climate as the data suggests? How effective is air conditioning in 15% humidity in the spring...? How long does the occasional snow these 2 towns get stay on the ground? It snows during 6-7 months of the year here, even more than the Meadville, PA data suggests - & for reasons of health & sanity, I am getting out of here... Beading supplies in tow.

I encourage you to compare the quality of authentic Mexican food in either town as well... And to point out any local Native American land marks & attractions.

Everyone's input is valued & appreciated. TY in advance for helping me to make educated choices in living arrangements.

-PA Escapee



PS ~ I took 2 years of high school Spanish a bazillion years ago... Would it help me blend in to brush up a bit on my Spanish?