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Old 06-12-2013, 06:48 PM
 
Location: Old Town
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That doesn't explain why northerners should celebrate Mexican heritage. Yes, there are similarities but New Mexicans have their own culture to celebrate. Just as many other Hispanic cultures do. Many New Mexicans just don't have a connection to Mexico. If someone has a connection to Mexico and the culture celebrate it but don't expect someone to false identify with another.

Also, most places in mexico don't even make burritos much less use flour tortillas.

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Old 06-12-2013, 11:15 PM
 
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My point was far less "northerners should celebrate Mexican heritage" than it was amusement/bemusement at the frequent insistence, often admant, of some people in the North that they're Spanish, Spanish, Spanish. Now, people do that in Mexico also, and there it's often to emphasize that their Spanish bloodlines have not been somehow sullied by Indian blood. Though it's rarely stated that directly anymore, the emphasis is clear and widely known, but that's Mexico's racist mestizophobic cross to bear.

I have no way to even guess if similar feelings motivate the "Spanish" of New Mexico and am certainly not suggesting that's the case. New Mexicans indeed have much to celebrate in their culture, but what that has to do with insisting one is Spanish and certainly, certainly not descended from Mexican-born people is a mystery to me. It's probably just one of those "the lady doth protest too much" things that raises more questions than it solves in my mind. That's probably why I mentioned it in passing.

And if you read what I wrote previously, you'll see I was comparing New Mexican food (burritos) to Spanish cuisine (guess the attempt at humor didn't fly with you) and did not mention Mexican food, flour tortillas or the presence of burritos in Mexico at all.
But since you brought it up, despite your assertion to the contrary, my tortilla de harina-loving-wife does not usually have difficulty getting her beloved wheat wrappers in almost 35 years of regular and wide Mexican travel, business and residence. I can't explain her weird taste - I much prefer handmade corn- but love is blind, I guess.
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Old 06-13-2013, 06:11 AM
 
Location: Louisiana
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Until the advent of air travel, nobody came directly from Spain to New Mexico, for starters. Most Spanish born settlers came to NM after a little or a long time in Mexico. You can parse the difference between pre and post Mexican independence all you wish, but that doesn't change anything.
Interesting thought. I guess where I always believed myself to have French ancestry, it must actually be Canadian, as my antecedents who were born in France settled first in the land that is now called Canada (but wasn't then), before migrating south and helping settle a part of St. Louis, Missouri, before it became a U.S. state.

That will mean that my Swiss antecedents aren't really Swiss (though they thought they were), but French, as they settled for awhile in Alsace-Lorraine before immigrating to the U.S. midwest, and A-L was, at that time, French. But Alsace-Lorraine became German shortly thereafter, and they spoke the Swiss-German dialect, so ... I don't know, I'm confused now.
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Old 06-13-2013, 08:55 AM
 
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When I first moved here I attended NM history lectures and was told to not ever assume locals have Mexican ancestry because they will be offended. Sure enough I had a friend who told me his family came with the first Spaniards in the 1500s and he was vehement that he had no Mexican heritage--only African American (from the guy that came with the Spaniards), Spanish and Comanche. Over 400 years later? I find it impossible to believe but what do I care how anyone creates their identity? It reminded me of all the people in the east who claim they are related to people who came on the Mayflower. Or my uncle who said we were related to Napoleon. Another uncle actually did the genealogy and found we have no French ancestry. As far as I know now it appears I come from a long line of German/Norwegian peasant farmers.
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Old 06-13-2013, 09:55 AM
 
Location: Old Town
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My point was far less "northerners should celebrate Mexican heritage" than it was amusement/bemusement at the frequent insistence, often admant, of some people in the North that they're Spanish, Spanish, Spanish.
Point taken, though you did immediately follow up with;

"Mesilleros/as proudly identify as Mexican heritage, even if their roots go back to Spain (as my next door neighbors do), and celebrate that connection"

Which insinuates that Northerners should do the same.

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I have no way to even guess if similar feelings motivate the "Spanish" of New Mexico and am certainly not suggesting that's the case. New Mexicans indeed have much to celebrate in their culture, but what that has to do with insisting one is Spanish and certainly, certainly not descended from Mexican-born people is a mystery to me. It's probably just one of those "the lady doth protest too much" things that raises more questions than it solves in my mind. That's probably why I mentioned it in passing.
Mexican, Spanish, American all denote Nationality not culture. Many New Mexicans families have roots under 3 different flags in their 400+ years of history. One of which is a very small part of those 400+ years. Most Native New Mexicans this day identify themselves as Americans first, Hispanic (culture) 2nd.

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And if you read what I wrote previously, you'll see I was comparing New Mexican food (burritos) to Spanish cuisine (guess the attempt at humor didn't fly with you) and did not mention Mexican food, flour tortillas or the presence of burritos in Mexico at all.
But since you brought it up, despite your assertion to the contrary, my tortilla de harina-loving-wife does not usually have difficulty getting her beloved wheat wrappers in almost 35 years of regular and wide Mexican travel, business and residence. I can't explain her weird taste - I much prefer handmade corn- but love is blind, I guess.
You were showing the difference between New Mexican Food and Spanish Food. I was showing that even though there are similarities between Old Mexico and New Mexico there are differences. Trying to make a point that they have there own cultures.
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Old 07-05-2013, 08:03 AM
 
Location: The Brat Stop
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Default New Mexico Silver Fire

Thankfully, the recent rain helped firefighters battle the Silver Fire, it's now 60% or more contained.

I found this flicker link where forest fire fighters have been posting pictures of the fire and fighting efforts. You'd need to have a yahoo or flicker account to post visible messages if you'd like to.

Flickr: Gila Forest's Photostream
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Old 07-21-2013, 03:33 PM
 
Location: Where I live.
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6.114 per 100 people in TX are illegal aliens.

2.022 per 100 people in NM are illegal aliens.

Oh and I disagree that thing are visually doing down hill. In my experience it is the opposite.



Not very much of a difference between 3 of the 4 you listed.




Yeah, we do have restrictive drilling regulations. Though our Oil Rig count has been going up since 2009. About 35 in 2009. A little over 80 in 2012. Of course we can't compete with TX. Nor many any other states.

Some good news on the Oil front.
Texas has 25 million people (unfortunately) and counting--NM, barely 2 million. Texas has a growing economy, vastly more construction, oil-related and other jobs, so it's logical that there would be a much higher number of illegals there.

Not a good thing in either place, period.
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Old 08-21-2013, 09:25 AM
 
Location: Bella Vista, Ark
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At least Socorro has MHT. That is my primary attraction to the town.
It also has a nice little downtown area and isn't all that far from Albuquerque. I would move to Socorro if we were to move back to NM, but I would never move to Grants.
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Old 10-27-2013, 05:51 PM
 
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I lived in New Mexico for long enough to realize that people think of it as Mexico because it FEELS like Mexico. Very little diversity, more illegals than Mexizona (Arizona), very poor healthcare, unfriendly, callous people, an odd mix of the wealthy, very wealthy, poor, destitute and working class poor. .
Another reason New Mexico feels like Mexico is because it also has horizontal traffic lights. The rest of the US uses vertical traffic lights and after seeing photos of traffic signals in Mexico (MANY down there are horizontally mounted), I figured New Mexico traffic lights are like elswhere in Mexico.
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Old 10-27-2013, 07:06 PM
 
Location: New Mexico U.S.A.
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The rest of the US uses vertical traffic lights
No they don't... Guess you haven't traveled much. Been to Florida, Kansas, Louisiana, Nebraska, New Jersey, Texas and Wisconsin?

Not all signals are horizontal in Mexico either.

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