New Mexico's Biggest Boomtown

[rruff]

Originally Posted by Tim Rankin

Greg makes a valid point.

Military Expenses (billions)

1 United States 607.0
2 China 84.9
3 France 65.7
4 United Kingdom 65.3
5 Russian Federation 58.6
6 Germany 46.8
7 Japan 46.3
8 Italy 40.6
9 Saudi Arabia 38.2
10 India 30.0


I think we need to spend more on the military now that the #2 country (China) is spending over 1/10th what we do. Try to keep that 10 to 1 ratio...

[bradly]

Well all I have to say is thank god for Canon! I hope all those moving here enjoy it..
Our Census 2010 popluation should be around 2.2 Million

[mortimer]

Originally Posted by rruff

Military Expenses (billions)

1 United States ... 10 India 30.0

Allow me to re-phrase that post:

Percent of world military expenditures:

More than 50% -- United States
Less than the United States -- everyone else combined

Number of countries in the world -- 193
Number of countries in the world with a US military installation -- 100+

Originally Posted by OCCASparky

Once again, Greg sticks his nose in where it isn't needed or wanted.

Since when is asking a question "sticking his nose" in anything?

Originally Posted by OCCASparky

Greg--are you aware of the function bases like Kirtland and Cannon fill? .... Of course you weren't.

Yes. Of course. That is why his original post asked:

Originally Posted by GregW

Just what does our military need Cannon AFB for anyway.

Thank you for posting what Cannon AFB is there for.

I'm still not convinced that it plays an indispensable role.

Oh, and BTW:

Originally Posted by OCCASparky

Once again, Greg sticks his nose in where it isn't needed or wanted.

How is the above different from a personal attack? That is against the TOS.

I argue with GregW all the time about his (self-admitted) left-wing tendencies.
I've never felt the need to personally attack him.

I win the arguments every time through skill and reason. Just axe him.

[OCCASparky]

Originally Posted by rruff

Military Expenses (billions)

1 United States 607.0
2 China 84.9
3 France 65.7
4 United Kingdom 65.3
5 Russian Federation 58.6
6 Germany 46.8
7 Japan 46.3
8 Italy 40.6
9 Saudi Arabia 38.2
10 India 30.0


I think we need to spend more on the military now that the #2 country (China) is spending over 1/10th what we do. Try to keep that 10 to 1 ratio...

How's about linking that bad boy for us?

BTW--your defense budget will go up when you have militaries which are actually CAPABLE of doing something. Just ask the Russians and their submarine fleet which is more or less rusting at the pier, etc. And it's easy to keep costs down when China pays their conscripts a few bucks a month as compared to the $1400/mo that any E-1 gets the first day of boot camp, plus housing, food, etc.

Those cost money, dontcha know.

[MOD EDIT - No personal attacks.]

All that being said, Cannon does fulfill a purpose, BRAC notwithstanding. BTW, for the previous poster, Subase Groton was on the list too. Just because it's on the list 1--doesn't mean it will be closed, 2--doesn't mean it makes sense.

And mortimer, there's that little thing called "treaty obligation". Look it up.

Once again, CONTEXT FAIL. All of ya.

[mortimer]

Originally Posted by OCCASparky

How's about linking that bad boy for us?

So you can't be bothered to look up a simple thing like annual military expenditures therefore requesting a link?

Originally Posted by OCCASparky

And mortimer, there's that little thing called "treaty obligation". Look it up.

Then you finish the post with a demand that I look up something regarding a treaty without thoughtfully providing a cite?
( somewhat hypocritical )

.... google ....

[Results 1 - 10 of about 46,300,000 for treaty ...]

Hmmm. Where should I start? Where SHOULD I start?

Oh, and still nothing on exactly why Cannon is specifically needed.
I'm not saying it's not needed, I'd just like to know why.
Just saying that they do some sort of work there isn't sufficient.

[OCCASparky]

Originally Posted by mortimer

So you can't be bothered to look up a simple thing like annual military expenditures therefore requesting a link?



Then you finish the post with a demand that I look up something regarding a treaty without thoughtfully providing a cite?
( somewhat hypocritical )

.... google ....

[Results 1 - 10 of about 46,300,000 for treaty ...]

Hmmm. Where should I start? Where SHOULD I start?

Oh, and still nothing on exactly why Cannon is specifically needed.
I'm not saying it's not needed, I'd just like to know why.
Just saying that they do some sort of work there isn't sufficient.

Awww...whazza matter?

[MOD EDIT - No personal attacks.]

See, this is how you provide a link:

http://www.cannon.af.mil/

http://www.state.gov/documents/organization/123746.pdf (broken link)

And to answer your question as to why Cannon is needed? Two words: Special Operations.

http://www.cannon.af.mil/news/story.asp?id=123155363

[OCCASparky]

Originally Posted by Tim Rankin

Sparky, Cannon was slated to be closed under the latest round of BRAC. In order to justify its existence, the AF tranferred AFSOC to Cannon.

U.S. GAO - Defense Infrastructure: Realignment of Air Force Special Operations Command Units to Cannon Air Force Base, New Mexico

Greg makes a valid point.

Not really, given the nature of current threats. Elgin has grown out as far as it can, and we need more desert training for all of our forces. Cannon is isolated enough to provide some secrecy and still give good, realistic, desert/mountain training to the aircrews.

Again, just because it's in BRAC doesn't mean 1--it's gonna happen, 2--it makes sense. Nah, politicians NEVER do anything for purely political reasons, do they?

[mortimer]

Originally Posted by OCCASparky

Awww...whazza matter?

I already said what the matter was. I don't need to repeat it.

Originally Posted by OCCASparky

[MOD EDIT - No personal attacks.]

You get that a lot. I find that people that cannot respond with facts
and have to do the "personal attack" thing are not suitable for discussions.

Originally Posted by OCCASparky

See, this is how you provide a link:

What gave you the idea that I needed instruction on how to provide a link?
I asked for a cite that was worthwhile.

Originally Posted by OCCASparky

Cannon Air Force Base - Home

I asked for a helpful link. Anyone can do a search for Cannon AFB.

Originally Posted by OCCASparky

http://www.state.gov/documents/organization/123746.pdf (broken link)

Again, I asked for a helpful link. This is a 471 page document.
From your post, you implied that you knew what you were talking about.
If you do, you would post the link - describing what it was ( this was not
done ) and then you would reference the specific page if you could not
provide the URL to the specific page containing the proof of your claim.
You would ( if you knew how ) also edit the link so that was descriptive.

Here: I'll do it for you. Please learn from this.
"United States Department of State
Treaties in Force
A List of Treaties ... "

There is no room for condensation in a post's tone when the poster
clearly does not know how to perform the tast that the poster is
being condescending about.

Originally Posted by OCCASparky

And to answer your question as to why Cannon is needed? Two words: Special Operations.

Again, for the third ( or fourth, I've lost count ) you have failed to provide
a reason that Cannon AFB should exist. Saying that they either have a
barracks, a plane, or some operation such as those "Two words" mentioned
above is not justification for keeping it at Cannon vs consolidating it at
a place like Edwards or some other place.

There are always redundancies in a large organization, like the military.
If that organization cannot compensate and adapt to those redundancies
it will eventually fail.

I'm sure there is a reason and ( I think ) I'm glad that Cannon is there,
but you, clearly, have no idea why they have to be there and not
somewhere else.