Deming - Ordinance 37? (Socorro: motorhome, buying, landlord)

[apostlethaddeus]

I think for those of you in favor of Ordinance #37 or think its good must have a lot of money and don't care for the little guy, the poor, those on SSI, disabled American Vets, etc. Because there are far too many people both in the City and living in the County who are affected in one form or another by the actions of the Commissioners to put that ordinance into effect over the objections of their residents.

The Right to DUE PROCESS has been and is being violated.... And to those of you who are unsure of what is really going on, GO TO:

Luna County and read through everything... You'll learn a lot!

[LasCrucesOne]

I think it's a great thing that the Luna County commissioners don't want Deming turning into a colonia.

[Larry Laughlin]

These Power Hunger People Who Have Forced this Courupt Ordinance 37 ,on All the people Luna County aginst the will of almost all the people of Luna county. and the Land owners who live out of this county 1 year later ,Still have no Idea there land is Ussless if it is under 2 acres. First they come after the poor and that won't be enought, Soon these Power hungry people will want everything. I still hope you are happy about this Ord.37 When they Steal your Land Home Cars and everything you and your family has work for most of your lives. With out any Due Process Like they have allready done to some who live here

:Larry :Laughlin

[lanzie]

I live in virginia in 1963 i purchased 1/2 acre land in deming ranchettes. I am trying to find out how i would find out who's land adjoins mine, so i can either sale my part or buy adjoining land if someone has info that could help me i would really appreciate it thanks.

[Brucifer]

Luna County Clerk's Office. Google it or search these forums.....

[caconsol]

Originally Posted by Brucifer

Overall, I have to say I am favor of Ordinance 37, at least in spirit. That being said, this is how I understand it:

2 acres and above, you can install a standard septic system on your property.

Under 2 acres and you have to install an 'advanced' septic system, i.e. more money.

As people trickle in and start building on their lots, the waste water from those homes has to go somewhere and the water table is only 150' underground. By the time there are enough homes to justify/support a sewer system, who knows how much waste is being filtered into the aquifer. Think about that can of paint or bug spray in your garage. If it spilled into the drain, no big deal, right? It's just one gallon.....but I have 71 other houses in my neighborhood. If we all spilled at once, that's a 71 gallon impact on the environment.

Secondly, Sunshine Valley Ranchettes is a HUGE area and I have an acre down in Unit 19. How long would it take the county to run a pipeline out there?

Lastly, what about privacy? Even at a 1/2 acre, those wide, open spaces will seem a little cramped if everyone on your street threw up a house.

I'm not saying that Luna County has a great solution to all this, but I would like to think they are thinking about the future quality of their County. There are a lot of subdivisions here in Phoenix were a builder tries to squeeze out the maximum dollar out of every square inch of land. I do not want to move out the the country and have my neighbors stacked up on top of me.

Brucifer-

If the federal government of the U.S. allowed state and/or local governments, like the current Luna County, to renig on their promise of previously-platted lands, then we may as well be a nation of tyrants where the rich take from the poor and the working class. As landowners, our dreams would be shattered and our trust with Government, at any level, would be broken. That seems to be the case between the Commissioners of Luna County and numerous landowners and residents in Luna County.

Please don't buckle to the pressures of a County which has enacted an ex post facto law (Ordinance 37) , violating and stripping the rights of landowners and Luna County residents, knowing that Luna County officials had agreed to platted lands 1/2 acre or more in numerous areas within Deming Ranchettes/Sunshine Valley many years ago. You may think that a 2-acre minimum is what is needed to prevent any environmental hazards, but what would stop Luna County from revisiting this issue and possibly making it 5, or maybe a 10-acre minimum. What would you think then? The point is that the governing officials of Luna County violated Title 42/Section 1983 of the US Code, and we, as owners of Luna County vacant lands, will have our day in Court, unless the current governing body retracts article 8 of that Infamous Ordinance, plus just compensation and relief to landowners affected by this mess.

I didn't invest nearly as much as some people may have, but I worked very hard to acquire the parcels of vacant land in Luna County, not only as a future retiree, but also for investment reasons, and I'm not about ready to throw it away to Luna County officials who have lost the public's trust, including mine. You mentioned "spilled paint" and its negative environmental potential in your blog. I lived in Phoenix and Tucson (AZ) for several years, and they've become environmentally friendly, a really good thing (recycling, and much much more). I have confidence that the residents and future residents of Luna County address the environmental issues, such as these, and put into motion the best practices to keep the environment clean. We must all become educated on this issue, and convey a strong message of the severe consequences of not having a clean environment. Also, if a landowner has a sense that a 1/2 acre to 2 acres isn't enough land for living, even though others may move to the area, well, he/she should obviously consider a much bigger parcel of land. Personally, I think a 1/2 acre parcel to a 1 1/2 acre parcel is sufficient, which leads me to believe that Luna County officials agreed decades ago that a 1/2 acre was enough land to have a homestead, or else they wouldn't have agreed on the plats. Thanks.

[caconsol]

Originally Posted by LasCrucesOne

I think it's a great thing that the Luna County commissioners don't want Deming turning into a colonia.

LasCrucesOne-

There's a lot of good folks that have spent a portion of their life savings on some of that Luna County vacant land, or have had their dreams shattered because there are or were Luna County governmental officials who abused their authority and violated U.S. law. LasCrucesOne, let's say, for example, we're talking about your money for a second........Let's say you bought 1/2 to 1 1/2 acre parcels of land and received clear title from New Mexico or Texas' finest governmental folks, and submitted yourself to an agreement with no significant building restrictions for the size of land you bought, I'll bet the "colonia" issue wouldn't be as important as the investment or possible dream home location you would have lost to your allies in the Government, right? Just think, LasCrucesOne, these people purchased that land, are paying property taxes, and are now told that they can't use the land, unless their neighbor joins them. So you think that's justice, right? Re-think it and put yourself in their shoes. Thanks.

[GregW]

Sounds like lawsuit time to me. This does sound like a land grab/manipulation. The homeowners need to get a Federal Attorney to check it out.
For what it is worth we have been building home in many parts of New England on 1/2 acre lots with septic systems for years and the water table is a lot closed than 150 ft down. My town has continuously increased lot size to increase property values so the taxes collected can pay for our schools.

[caconsol]

Originally Posted by lanzie

I live in virginia in 1963 i purchased 1/2 acre land in deming ranchettes. I am trying to find out how i would find out who's land adjoins mine, so i can either sale my part or buy adjoining land if someone has info that could help me i would really appreciate it thanks.

Lanzie-

I suggest that you try to hang on to your property. Don't try to sell it yet. Those Luna County officials who introduced and enacted, and continue to enforce Ordinance 37, specifically Article 8, are on the ropes. They were pretty bold for having enforced a law which doesn't allow you to build on your land, or worse yet, to have it become useless as an investment. These knuckleheads thought could just charge us property tax and not have us use our land........ Anybody who does such a thing is a scam artist. I wonder which developer or developers are waiting for the final results, like wolves trapping their prey.

A lot of us landowners are just average American folks doing our best to prepare for retirement, and even possibly live in a great place within the Deming Ranchettes/Sunshine Valley area of Luna County. I own land elsewhere in Arizona, but my wife and I have committed to living on our dream lot within the Deming Ranchettes, just outside Deming, in Luna County. I'm not about ready to have those Luna County officials shatter my dreams. They have no idea what's at stake here. Nobody pulls a scam like they have done, and gets away with it. They have violated U.S. law, and if this issue gets enough publicity, Luna County and/or its governing body of officials may either be fined heavily and receive time in prison (worse case scenario), depending how aggressive this issue becomes.

Good luck to you, Lanzie, and hope you keep your property until land values in Luna County stabilize once again. Remember, this Ordinance 37 issue is hot, and you don't want to be intimidated by those County officials who appear to have violated federal law. God bless.

[malamute]

Originally Posted by Brucifer

Overall, I have to say I am favor of Ordinance 37, at least in spirit. That being said, this is how I understand it:

2 acres and above, you can install a standard septic system on your property.

Under 2 acres and you have to install an 'advanced' septic system, i.e. more money.

As people trickle in and start building on their lots, the waste water from those homes has to go somewhere and the water table is only 150' underground. By the time there are enough homes to justify/support a sewer system, who knows how much waste is being filtered into the aquifer. Think about that can of paint or bug spray in your garage. If it spilled into the drain, no big deal, right? It's just one gallon.....but I have 71 other houses in my neighborhood. If we all spilled at once, that's a 71 gallon impact on the environment.

Secondly, Sunshine Valley Ranchettes is a HUGE area and I have an acre down in Unit 19. How long would it take the county to run a pipeline out there?

Lastly, what about privacy? Even at a 1/2 acre, those wide, open spaces will seem a little cramped if everyone on your street threw up a house.

I'm not saying that Luna County has a great solution to all this, but I would like to think they are thinking about the future quality of their County. There are a lot of subdivisions here in Phoenix were a builder tries to squeeze out the maximum dollar out of every square inch of land. I do not want to move out the the country and have my neighbors stacked up on top of me.

I agree with you, they might be trying to prevent the popping up of colonias -- the illegal subdivisions where no standards exist for septic or sewage and people crowd together on tiny lots with horrendous sanitation.

Septic systems are fine but not on small little lots with inadequate drain fields. Plus if it's a rural area, then two acres is about right to keep the rural quality. Once people start building houses 2 feet apart, then next thing they'll demand that chickens, goats, horses and all be gone.