Native Americans (Mescalero: living, store, friendly)

[Dobelover]

Originally Posted by jaxart

I'm sorry you feel picked on. You've been trolling in numerous threads on these forums - all of your OPs having something to do with racial relations. I and others have mentioned that you're motives for doing so are highly suspect. You want to foment debate, then be willing to take flak from those with strong opinions.

As for the debate on American Indian vs Native American, I refer readers to this web site of the American Indian Movement:

AIM WEB SITE

Also refer to this web site for a lengthy discussion of the terms:

Native American Name Controversy

I asked a direct question, how am I trying to foment debate? You nit picking about the term Native American Vs. American Indian sounds more like someone itching for a debate. As for suspicions of my motives, why are you so paranoid? How can I use this info to hurt anyone? Last I checked this site is called city data, so if I want to learn some data or information regarding demographics this seems like the forum to do so.

[desert sun]

Originally Posted by Dobelover

I asked a direct question, how am I trying to foment debate? You nit picking about the term Native American Vs. American Indian sounds more like someone itching for a debate. As for suspicions of my motives, why are you so paranoid? How can I use this info to hurt anyone? Last I checked this site is called city data, so if I want to learn some data or information regarding demographics this seems like the forum to do so.

you'll just have to learn, if its not to someones liking on here, they dont wanna hear it or will correct you all day or tell you to leave.

its like calling into QVC to comment on a product, if you tell them how good it is then everything is fine, but if you disagree with the product they are selling then they think its a prank and will hang up on you.

There is no opinion.


anyways I know this is not what your doing, if I was curious about how races interact in a certain state I would ask on city data too, cause where else are you gonna find out these things without visiting, know what I mean.

[Dobelover]

Originally Posted by desert sun

you'll just have to learn, if its not to someones liking on here, they dont wanna hear it or will correct you all day or tell you to leave.

its like calling into QVC to comment on a product, if you tell them how good it is then everything is fine, but if you disagree with the product they are selling then they think its a prank and will hang up on you.

There is no opinion.


anyways I know this is not what your doing, if I was curious about how races interact in a certain state I would ask on city data too, cause where else are you gonna find out these things without visiting, know what I mean.

You hit the nail right on the head. Thanks for your support.

[_yb]

Originally Posted by rickers

I'm just an old white boy and I lived on a reservation in Montana for over 10 years. I now live next to another reservation here in Montana and all my Indian friends as well as Indians I don't know very well all seem to call themselves "Indians" and that's what they seem to want to be called by other folks. I have a feeling that it's the same way in New Mexico.

Thats pretty much the way it is here also.

[jiminnm]

If you seriously want a real answer to your question, you're not going to get it here. Unless someone is willing to do your research for you, you're simply going to get folks' opinions, which may or may not be correct. My suspicion is that the answer is different for each pueblo, as well as the Navajo nation. If you really want to know, I suggest that you ask each of the 19 pueblos, as well as the Navajo Nation.

[hoppybunn]

There is some tension between the Natives/Indians/whatever you want to call them of New Mexico mainly because they aren't always treated fairly/equally. Sure you have your new-age people that basically want to become a Native and never will, but you also have those who are ignorant and believe in the stereotypes against Natives that have been around for a long time, such as all Indians are stupid and uneducated, they all sit around and get drunk, they walk around in buckskin and live in tipis...etc. It is because a lot of them deal with this on a daily basis, they tend to be more of a tight-knit group and not allowing outsiders into their circle very easily. Of course you have certain pueblos that have casinos and interact with outsiders on a daily basis. I have seen firsthand however some of the ignorance of tourists and the like. In Santa Fe I was hanging around the plaza where people of Santo Domingo Pueblo sell their jewelery, and one white man was talking to this Native jewelery seller as if she didn't know anything about the country she lives in, like she had never stepped foot off her reservation. So honestly I don't know if I'd call it racial "tension," but more like racial ignorance.

[jaxart]

Originally Posted by desert sun

well maybe all the Navajos will read the link you posted and then they will change what they call themseves.

IF you read the references I provided, you'll know that many of the tribal members PREFER to be called by their tribal name - Navajo, Mescalero Apache, Nez Perce, Inuit, etc. I feel certain they'd also prefer to be called by the name they have historically used for themselves in their tribal tongue, which may NOT come anything close to the English spelling.

As for my original reply to DOBELOVER, I was reacting to the implication that only American Indians are considered Native Americans. Use of the latter term is the cause of all the debate in past discussions since anyone born on soil in the Americas is, by definition, a "native American." I couldn't care less what individuals call themselves, but I do object to being referred to as something other than what I actually am - which is both a "native Texan" and by extension a "native American." I am an "adopted New Mexican," IMO.

[mike b 1]

Actually, the skeletal evidence shows that the original people, or Paleo Indians, as identified by anthropologists, were of CAUCASIAN decent...(Kennewick Man e.t.c.). A dozen or so remains have been found and this is consistent with ALL. Political correctness is the curse of today's anthropology.

[bongo]

Originally Posted by jaxart

IF you read the references I provided, you'll know that many of the tribal members PREFER to be called by their tribal name - Navajo, Mescalero Apache, Nez Perce, Inuit, etc. I feel certain they'd also prefer to be called by the name they have historically used for themselves in their tribal tongue, which may NOT come anything close to the English spelling.

As for my original reply to DOBELOVER, I was reacting to the implication that only American Indians are considered Native Americans. Use of the latter term is the cause of all the debate in past discussions since anyone born on soil in the Americas is, by definition, a "native American." I couldn't care less what individuals call themselves, but I do object to being referred to as something other than what I actually am - which is both a "native Texan" and by extension a "native American." I am an "adopted New Mexican," IMO.

i agree. I worked for 10 years on the Navajo Reservation in NM. The Navajo prefer their name Dine for their people & Dinetah for their homeland.

[jaada]

Originally Posted by angelbug

There ARE no "native" Americans. We ALL came here from somewhere else, it's just that some came from Asia before others came from Europe and Africa.

thats just a theory not proven