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Old 12-30-2009, 02:08 PM
 
Location: Heading to the NW, 4 sure.
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Exclamation DWI...out of control in NM.....

Just saw "another" report that a person has been charged with his "5th" DWI; and this person is a ABQ city employee...jesh....

Where I come from "once" and you are out...

Soft sentences from judges...even softer...pats on the hand from the city, county, state gov.that handles these persons....

I knew a friend that worked for a major company and had (1) DWI..not convicted, but still FIRED from this private company because of his/her off time DWI. This was many years ago.....
(not a gov. worked...)

It seems in NM that ok drink and drive, go to court, and drink and drive again...
Up to 13 x's for some person's...In WA. state..after 3-5 DWI''s it's like to jail for at least 3 years.


Why can't NM get the msg...

Be this New Years will have at least 1 fatal accident + how many DWI's.

I feel that a tavern, bar, lounge, whatever that serves liquor should be responsible to say hey 2 drinks..that's it for 2 hours...or something like that.

Maybe you might not care, but, if if it's one of your loved ones;;then what

HW HAPPY NEW YEAR AND BE SAFE...CALL A CAB...CALL SOMEONE IF YOU THINK THAT YOU MIGHT OR WILL BE HAVING A FEW TOO MANY..
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Old 12-30-2009, 03:14 PM
 
Location: Albuquerque, NM
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A lot of people seem to think--and this is not just a New Mexico thing--that its their right to have fun however they want even when it puts others at serious risk, without their consent. Everybody does it, right? It's just the luck of the draw whether you happen to get caught or whether you cause an accident. That, I think, is the attitude.

But the way the law treats DWI here certainly adds to the problem.
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Old 12-30-2009, 09:50 PM
 
Location: Alto/Ruidoso
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Why can't NM get the msg...
When I went to school in IL (late 70s), everybody drove drunk... nobody got DWIs... even if they were stopped by a cop! If you were sober enough to stay out of the ditches, then you were good. If you want to avoid the drunks, then have the sense to not be driving when the bars close.

Times sure have changed...
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Old 12-30-2009, 10:02 PM
 
Location: SW Missouri
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Just saw "another" report that a person has been charged with his "5th" DWI; and this person is a ABQ city employee...jesh....

Where I come from "once" and you are out...

Soft sentences from judges...even softer...pats on the hand from the city, county, state gov.that handles these persons....

I knew a friend that worked for a major company and had (1) DWI..not convicted, but still FIRED from this private company because of his/her off time DWI. This was many years ago.....
(not a gov. worked...)

It seems in NM that ok drink and drive, go to court, and drink and drive again...
Up to 13 x's for some person's...In WA. state..after 3-5 DWI''s it's like to jail for at least 3 years.


Why can't NM get the msg...

Be this New Years will have at least 1 fatal accident + how many DWI's.

I feel that a tavern, bar, lounge, whatever that serves liquor should be responsible to say hey 2 drinks..that's it for 2 hours...or something like that.

Maybe you might not care, but, if if it's one of your loved ones;;then what

HW HAPPY NEW YEAR AND BE SAFE...CALL A CAB...CALL SOMEONE IF YOU THINK THAT YOU MIGHT OR WILL BE HAVING A FEW TOO MANY..
MADD has defeated it's own purpose. When you lower the legal blood alcohol level to .08, you lose ALL THE IMPACT of drunk driving, because EVERYBODY knows that .08 is NOT impaired. So they go ahead and drink and then they get caught and nobody thinks anything about it...because it is too low to make any difference and NOBODY CARES.

The drinking/driving laws are so stupid it makes me sick. NOBODY CARES.

And no, I don't drink and drive. Because I am law abiding. But most people are not. Obviously.

20yrsinBranson
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Old 12-30-2009, 10:31 PM
 
Location: New Mexico to Texas
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When I went to school in IL (late 70s), everybody drove drunk... nobody got DWIs... even if they were stopped by a cop! If you were sober enough to stay out of the ditches, then you were good. If you want to avoid the drunks, then have the sense to not be driving when the bars close.

Times sure have changed...

this is New Mexico, the drunks drive at all times of the day, and most are probably alcoholics, they dont only drink at bars and then drive, they wake up to a drink and then go out and drive.

New Mexico has always had a problem with alcohol
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Old 12-30-2009, 10:43 PM
 
Location: New York, NY, USA
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New Mexico needs to do what New York State has done.........make it a Felony..............20 to 30 years in jail, if one kills anyone with a vehicle while intoxicated............
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Old 12-30-2009, 11:48 PM
 
Location: Alto/Ruidoso
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this is New Mexico, the drunks drive at all times of the day, and most are probably alcoholics, they dont only drink at bars and then drive, they wake up to a drink and then go out and drive.
In that case they have a lot of practice.
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Old 12-31-2009, 12:08 PM
 
Location: SW Missouri
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New Mexico needs to do what New York State has done.........make it a Felony..............20 to 30 years in jail, if one kills anyone with a vehicle while intoxicated............

Ya don't say. Apparently, it's not working, because according to New York Drunk Driving Statistics

drunk driving fatalities in New York has increased by 3 percent since 1990 and was at a wopping 39 percent of all fatal accidents in 2004.

It's not working.

20yrsinBranson
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Old 12-31-2009, 12:33 PM
 
Location: Marlborough, MA
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Ya don't say. Apparently, it's not working, because according to New York Drunk Driving Statistics

drunk driving fatalities in New York has increased by 3 percent since 1990 and was at a wopping 39 percent of all fatal accidents in 2004.

It's not working.

20yrsinBranson

I don't think you can read your own reference. The chart shows two percentage calculations, one for all alcohol related fatalities, the other for .08+ alcohol related fatalities.

In 1982 ( the first year referenced ) the percentages were 52/45.

In 1990 ( as referenced by you ) they were 43/36.

In 2008 ( the most recent data ) they were 33/28.

That seems to indicate a decrease, rather than an increase in occurrence. There are some exceptions, for example between 2002-03 there was a 4/5 percent increase, but the general trend is clearly decrease rather than increase.
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Old 12-31-2009, 03:32 PM
 
Location: SW Missouri
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I don't think you can read your own reference. The chart shows two percentage calculations, one for all alcohol related fatalities, the other for .08+ alcohol related fatalities.

In 1982 ( the first year referenced ) the percentages were 52/45.

In 1990 ( as referenced by you ) they were 43/36.

In 2008 ( the most recent data ) they were 33/28.

That seems to indicate a decrease, rather than an increase in occurrence. There are some exceptions, for example between 2002-03 there was a 4/5 percent increase, but the general trend is clearly decrease rather than increase.
That is not how I read it at all.

In 2008 there were 1,231 automobile fatalities in New York.

Of those 1,231 fatalities, 409 (or 33 percent of them) were alcohol related. Of those that were alcohol related, 341 or (28 percent) of them were with a blood alcohol content over .08. Therefore, the OVERALL percentage of alcohol-related deaths showed an decrease in 2 percent over the previous year, but was still equal to - or increased from several of the years prior. It does not show a definitive trend towards significantly lower percentages until you start comparing them to the mid 1980s.

Even so, safety technology in cars has advanced dramatically since the that time. They did not even have AIRBAGS in cars in the mid 1980s (IIRC). Most likely the reduction in FATALITIES associated with alcohol has nothing in the world to do with lower consumption or drinking and driving statistics and stricter laws...and MUCH MORE to do with safer automobiles.

20yrsinBranson
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