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Old 06-16-2010, 02:56 AM
 
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I am researching the general boundaries of Greenwich Village and the West Village. Alot of the articles are old and plainly state that the West Village is just the western part of Greenwich Village. There are however, recent comments about the two now being two distinct and separte neighborhoods. For example;

When you search on the NYTIMES and search by neighborhood it shows a general category for Harlem and underneath has sub-neighborhoods of Hamilton Heights and Sugar Hill. With Greenwich Village there is no sub-category for the West Village. The West Village stands alone there as a neighborhood. It's the same for the UWS, UES and even Tribeca having sub-neighborhoods under them.

Any ideas??
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Old 06-16-2010, 04:43 AM
 
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I tend to think of the Village below 14th but east of 6th ave as the "Central Village"
Between 6th and 8th as "The West Village" and beyond that as the Far West Village.
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Old 06-16-2010, 07:21 AM
 
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When the term "East Village" came into common use in the and 90s, "West Village" became a natural extension. Depending on whom you talk to, "The Village" used to go from First Avenue to the Hudson. That's a huge area. It's useful to have it subdivided.
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Old 06-16-2010, 08:47 AM
 
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I tend to think of the Village below 14th but east of 6th ave as the "Central Village"
Between 6th and 8th as "The West Village" and beyond that as the Far West Village.
i'd agree with this
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Old 06-16-2010, 09:02 AM
 
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Greenwich Village is the "West Village." The name dates back to the 19th century. The East Village was a neighborhood name created to distinguish it from "the" Village.
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Old 06-16-2010, 10:01 AM
 
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Greenwich Village is the "West Village." The name dates back to the 19th century. The East Village was a neighborhood name created to distinguish it from "the" Village.
agree with this as well

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There are however, recent comments about the two now being two distinct and separte neighborhoods.
well, as someone pointed out, lower manhattan is huge. there is going to be a distict vibe within certain parts of the w. village
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Old 06-16-2010, 10:13 AM
 
Location: Washington, DC & New York
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I would not use a search query in the classified section as being indicative of anything other than the number of ads that mention the neighborhood as a means of identifying it to a pool of potential customers. Given the confusion over the "Villages," it can be useful when searching for a property, but, in reality, it's not an authoritative definition. And, the West Village is part of Greenwich Village.

It would be the same if Yorkville suddenly became a hot commodity and The Times had brokers placing many ads for the neighborhood, such that it would make sense from a search perspective to have it separated from the overall UES descriptor. That would not, of itself, be factual evidence that the neighborhood had separated, despite claims of people in said area who may want to differentiate themselves from the other part of the neighborhood. Carnegie Hill is another sub-neighborhood on the UES that would be similar, and while it's often spoken of as an area unto itself because of the historic district overlay, it remains part of the UES.
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Old 06-16-2010, 10:22 AM
 
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Wasn't there a time (20 years ago?) when basically "West Village" meant the gay part and "East Village" meant "the cool, artistic, but not nearly as gay" part?
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Old 06-16-2010, 11:13 AM
 
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Wasn't there a time (20 years ago?) when basically "West Village" meant the gay part and "East Village" meant "the cool, artistic, but not nearly as gay" part?
Names change over time.

"East Village" is a recent coinage. It was meant to replace "Alphabet City" which had a notorious reputation back in the day. It's a real estate marketing gimmick, but it's so useful that it's hard to talk about downtown geography without it.

The really old name for the area between Broadway and First Avenue (which used to be on the East River as Alphabet City is built on landfill) was "The Bowery." It was named after the anglicized name of Peter Stuyvesant's estate called "The Bowery." It was near the present St. Mark's in the Bowery church. After "Bowery" became synonymous with the entertainment district along the street of the same name, the "Village" appellation took over. St. Mark's Place (what would be 8th Street) has long been associated with the gay community (many of the original bathhouses were on St. Mark's) and has been part of "The Village" for just as long (decades before there was an "East Village").

The proper name for the "Central Village" is Washington Square.
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Old 06-16-2010, 01:03 PM
 
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Names change over time.
They certainly do! In fact, if you go back far enough--to the mid-19th century--I believe you'll find that what we now know as Greenwich Village was actually the first sizeable black community on the island of Manhattan (which has migrated steadily uptown over the years to its present location in Harlem).
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