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Old 03-17-2010, 03:23 AM
 
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City Housing Projects Awarded Federal Stimulus Money - Gothamist

do you guys think that this is a good thing? or do you think this is a waste of money?
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Old 03-17-2010, 10:43 AM
 
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The freaking "Stimulus Package" itself is a waste of money!

As far as the article, its an example of more tax dollars to support a poorly run and mismanaged local government agency. If anything the money s/b spent to provide employment training, to relocate public housing tenants, and to eliminate such failed urban renewal era housing.
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Old 03-17-2010, 12:16 PM
 
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I somewhat agree with that statement jcoltrane. However until NYC decides to do something (anything) with the housing projects, isn't it better to at least keep them in good repair?
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Old 03-17-2010, 12:40 PM
 
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City Housing Projects Awarded Federal Stimulus Money - Gothamist

do you guys think that this is a good thing? or do you think this is a waste of money?

A total waste of tax payer's money if you ask me. Why spend tax payer money to fix them up for it to be destroyed again be the very same people that live there?

How do you think it got that way to begin with? The tenants in the projects of coarse. Remember, they don't value anything since they didn't work for it. They could care less because any repairs are NOT on their dime. A complete waste of money.

If you want to spend money on the projects, spend it on the exterior by increasing the curb appeal of those ugly red buildings. Landscaping, removal of grafitti, clean sidwalks, anything visual from the outside to give the perception that it is not a ghetto place.
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Old 03-17-2010, 12:52 PM
 
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Victor your anger towards poor people, specifically poor people of color, has been noted. I get it...you don't like them. Are you just going to continually bash them on every comment, or do you have anything useful to say besides "I hate ghetto people, NYC needs to exterminate them all."
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Old 03-17-2010, 12:54 PM
 
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A total waste of tax payer's money if you ask me. Why spend tax payer money to fix them up for it to be destroyed again be the very same people that live there?

How do you think it got that way to begin with? The tenants in the projects of coarse. Remember, they don't value anything since they didn't work for it. They could care less because any repairs are NOT on their dime. A complete waste of money.

If you want to spend money on the projects, spend it on the exterior by increasing the curb appeal of those ugly red buildings. Landscaping, removal of grafitti, clean sidwalks, anything visual from the outside to give the perception that it is not a ghetto place.
the article specifically quotes that most of the money is going toward facades, roofs, heating systems, elevators, and other issues. the only thing on that list that i could see the tenants maybe being at fault for are the elevators due to horseplay. the other issues are caused by natural age of the building, which the tenants would have nothing to do with.

Fact Sheet - New York City Housing Authority

according to NYCHA stats, 66% percent of NYCHA buildings are at least 40 years old. so its naive to expect these buildings, or any other building, to have the same appearance of when it was built 40 years ago, unless the building is properly maintained.

to expand on your theory that since "they" dont work, "they" dont value anything, there is less incentive for a renter in general to have as much value in a property as the owner. this is not an excuse to deface, or not take care of the property, but this is common sense, whether the tenant is one of NYCHA's, or even the property you manage. the problem lies within the class of the individual, making it an isolated problem.

I would rather see NYCHA geared more towards providing housing for people employed by the City.
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Old 03-17-2010, 01:53 PM
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I agree with SeventhFloor's statements concerning the age of the buildings and need for maintenance.

My concern would be who is going to get these contracts. This type of construction project will be city wide and will probably go on for years. There has to be young people that are interested in the skilled trades that actually live in these developements. Some probably attend vocational HS's and community colleges and are currently learning these trades. I hope that some type of apprentice program also goes in place that will hire these young people, and hone their skills along side some of the experienced skilled trades people.
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Old 03-17-2010, 02:48 PM
 
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That's an excellent comment DAS...and brings up an interesting point. I have no idea whether it will be locally sourced, but from what history has shown, it never is.
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Old 03-17-2010, 04:07 PM
 
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to expand on your theory that since "they" dont work, "they" dont value anything, there is less incentive for a renter in general to have as much value in a property as the owner. this is not an excuse to deface, or not take care of the property, but this is common sense, whether the tenant is one of NYCHA's, or even the property you manage. the problem lies within the class of the individual, making it an isolated problem.

I would rather see NYCHA geared more towards providing housing for people employed by the City.

SeventhFloor, you said it right and that's exactly what I meant to say. Difference is I'm more direct and blunt with my response which appears to be kind of bashing but I'm not. I'm just putting people on blast and calling them as I see them. Anyways, its the CLASS of the individual NOT race just like you said Seventh and in MY opinion that class falls under the "ghetto" class regardless of skin color. Now can you see why I'm not to fond of this class... can't have nothing nice without them messing it up.
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Old 03-17-2010, 04:25 PM
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I agree with SeventhFloor's statements concerning the age of the buildings and need for maintenance.

My concern would be who is going to get these contracts. This type of construction project will be city wide and will probably go on for years. There has to be young people that are interested in the skilled trades that actually live in these developements. Some probably attend vocational HS's and community colleges and are currently learning these trades. I hope that some type of apprentice program also goes in place that will hire these young people, and hone their skills along side some of the experienced skilled trades people.
Already covered: Resident Employment Services - New York City Housing Authority (http://www.nyc.gov/html/nycha/html/community/res_employ.shtml#ca - broken link)
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