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Old 09-16-2010, 01:15 PM
 
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o yes it will benefit the black community cause the true reality is most youths love the hip hop culture.

and the difference between those youth and you my friend is that they judge people for individuals not race.

thats really retarded to me , i remember when i was young and was jump by whites in my area but did that make me hate all white people???? no i just hated the whites who jumped me , and also because those few whites jump me doesnt make me hate white culture neither.

people need to start leaving race behind and start judging people for the individual that are.
We are not talking about an isolated incident here where it can be written off to some bad apples. Instead they are repeated and a significant number of attacks targeted to a single people within a single community. After 10 reported cases of such attacks in a short time frame it becomes a profound problem.

It is not just Staten Island, same thing is occurring in Oakland, Philadelphia, Chicago, and Baltimore. Beatings are one thing, but then gun violence and killings are aggravating the issue. This has happened for decades and it is only now that the immigrant community is speaking against racial violence to a mainstream forum. The most prominent is the case of 30 Asian students in Philadelphia who were attacked by groups of black students, and 11 had to be hospitalized. The school and district tried to kill the issue by ignoring it, then intimidating the victims, until finally the Feds had to look into it.
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Old 09-16-2010, 05:28 PM
 
Location: Crown Heights, Brooklyn
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i hate to say it but...its white people. well, not completely... but mostly
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Old 09-16-2010, 05:31 PM
 
Location: Port Richmond, Staten Island, New York City, New York, 10302
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the kid is an idiot if i were a drug dealer and attacked i would of ran away and not reported squash.

I agree, though this kid was the purchaser, not the supplier. Either way it leaves a terrible taste in your mouth. Like, isn't that the risk narcotic buyers stand when they purchase their vice of choice? That they're gonna get ripped off? I love the gut-wrenching taglines attacked to the story when it first broke about how they took "all he had in his pockets, 10 dollars"...... Uh, not quite, actually it turns out he HANDED that 10 dollars to them and then cried when he didn't receive what he thought was 10 dollars worth of bud. You argue with 5 drug dealers on a street and expect what, hugs and handshakes? What a joke. And his quotes were classic in retrospect; "If they wanted my money, they would have asked for it. They attacked me because I was Mexican." Smh. I actually saw this kid coming from a party around the corner from where I live the other day. He seemed quite paranoid despite being with a large group of people. Guess a guilty conscious'll do that to you. Oh, Karma, where are you when you're needed?
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Old 09-16-2010, 05:41 PM
 
Location: Staten Island, New York
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Ehh, that's pretty much the gist of it. I think you have to omit anything having to do with Arizona or even the Mexican's legal status from the reasoning though. In cases such as these anyway. Trust me, very very few black teenagers care that they've entered their country, state, city, borough, neighborhood, building, block, etc... illegally. They know that they carry cash, are largely harmless (look at the majority of the targets, they're middle-aged) and almost never report the crimes. Mexicans are seen as human ATM machines. I can't tell you how many times I've heard a black or Puerto Rican kid talk about needing money and following it with "I'll just go rob a Mexican" (I even met a black dude in his mid-20's who said he used to shoot Mexicans in the leg in a park in Port Richmond just cause). It's been going on for as long as I can remember. You can't be fooled into thinking there is absolutely NO animosity though, these blacks don't want Mexicans in their neighborhood anymore than they'd want Asians or Indians there. And it's not really for gang or drug control reasons, they don't feel threatened by the newcomers in that aspect, they just feel like the only thing they have - their neighborhood, is being infiltrated. I was born in late 1988. Supposedly that's around the time Mexicans began coming to the neighborhood. I grew up around largely blacks, Puerto Ricans and Mexicans. All through school I had Mexican classmates as I did Puerto Rican and black ones. Good luck driving through the neighborhood and finding blacks or Puerto Ricans hanging out with Mexicans though. It doesn't happen almost AT ALL. I can't explain it, I have nothing against any group but I feel like the overall disposition of the neighborhood is that the Mexicans shouldn't be here, even though the people mainly pushing that attitude were born after the Mexicans began arriving. They say it's always hardest on the newcomers. On the West Coast blacks coexist with Mexicans (the gang warfare doesn't count) because they're taught that that's who they share their urban space with, a lot like how blacks and Puerto Ricans/Dominicans get along in most cases in NYC. If Puerto Ricans began to arrive in LA would they face similar obstacles to the ones Mexicans face in NYC? It's possible.

And that revelation that that Mexican was actually buying weed is such a joke. He went on all them TV stations, said he was doing it to stop the attacks, was hailed as a hero and now this? And then STILL has the nerve to say it was a bias attack after the fact? I was a little suspicious when he said they called him a "wet_back" (I've never heard a black person show knowledge of that term) but gave him the benefit of the doubt. And that Terry Troia lady is the WORST! She talked about what a great kid this dude was from jump and then faced with the real story, with the perfect opportunity to say something like "Well, we're relieved to see this wasn't a bias attack, after all" she instead says it still was?! She lives to fan the flames, get a life. What if these tensions would have exploded because of this kid's lies? Makes me ill.

Btw, this post looks crazy long, lol. Smh.
Oh, the 'reverend'. I wish someone would find something on her and put her away. She spends her days teaching the illegals how to rip off the system. I can't help but wonder if she pushed the kid to file the 'race' case.
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Old 09-16-2010, 07:30 PM
 
Location: Brooklyn, NY $$$
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We are not talking about an isolated incident here where it can be written off to some bad apples. Instead they are repeated and a significant number of attacks targeted to a single people within a single community. After 10 reported cases of such attacks in a short time frame it becomes a profound problem.

It is not just Staten Island, same thing is occurring in Oakland, Philadelphia, Chicago, and Baltimore. Beatings are one thing, but then gun violence and killings are aggravating the issue. This has happened for decades and it is only now that the immigrant community is speaking against racial violence to a mainstream forum. The most prominent is the case of 30 Asian students in Philadelphia who were attacked by groups of black students, and 11 had to be hospitalized. The school and district tried to kill the issue by ignoring it, then intimidating the victims, until finally the Feds had to look into it.
actually their were other asians on the black peoples side who were also attacking asians(their own kind)

a lot of these crimes yous peak of always have some weirdness for example puerto ricans/dominicans have also known to be with blacks in these attacks, and in philly their were asians also involved in that attack.

yet people always want to make it all blacks.

in my view its all hate and whoever participates needs to take the bait.
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Old 09-16-2010, 07:51 PM
 
Location: Port Richmond, Staten Island, New York City, New York, 10302
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Oh, the 'reverend'. I wish someone would find something on her and put her away. She spends her days teaching the illegals how to rip off the system. I can't help but wonder if she pushed the kid to file the 'race' case.

I live out here so I've heard and seen a lot of her over the course of the last five or so years, and I always gave her the benefit of the doubt just cause, but some time during this whole thing she began to rub me the wrong way. I think it was because in the past she would simply say that Mexicans were targeted for robberies because they were "vulnerable," not because they were hated. There's no doubt that those attacks perfectly mirrored these most recent ones, but it's like she couldn't pass up the media attention once it was at her front stoop, so she kept throwing logs on the fire. And to push forward with this specific one even after the weed revelation just boggles the mind. Makes me cringe. I hadn't previously considered whether or not she herself would be in these victim's ears trying to get them to report these incidents as hate crimes, but now that you mention it, it's completely possible. Anything to keep the steady stream of news vans setting up shop on Port Richmond Ave. It's really a shame though because the nonprofit she works for, Project Hospitality, really does do a lot of good for Islanders of all ethnicities and circumstances. There's just something grimey about her though.
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Old 09-16-2010, 10:07 PM
 
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actually their were other asians on the black peoples side who were also attacking asians(their own kind)

a lot of these crimes yous peak of always have some weirdness for example puerto ricans/dominicans have also known to be with blacks in these attacks, and in philly their were asians also involved in that attack.

yet people always want to make it all blacks.

in my view its all hate and whoever participates needs to take the bait.
Racism is racism. It is absurd for the larger community doing the majority of the injustice to be absolved because there are others partaking in the same thing. It would be like saying whites in America don't owe any sensitivity towards blacks because Jews and other Africans also participated in the slave trade.

Secondly, the case in Philadelphia involved a Cambodian female who was affiliated with a black gang. The school's own investigators tried to purposely paint a picture that she influenced black gang members to attack Asian gang members. It turned out that she was only following the pack of students because she saw herself as being "black" compared to mostly Chinese and Vietnamese students who were recent immigrants, and none of them were part of any gang. It just scream of discrimination and foul play in part from the mostly black administrators.

The only bait I see here is the one that perpetuates the idea that some members of society are completely blameless regardless of injustices committed by them against underrepresented minorities.
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Old 09-16-2010, 11:35 PM
 
Location: Staten Island, New York
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I live out here so I've heard and seen a lot of her over the course of the last five or so years, and I always gave her the benefit of the doubt just cause, but some time during this whole thing she began to rub me the wrong way. I think it was because in the past she would simply say that Mexicans were targeted for robberies because they were "vulnerable," not because they were hated. There's no doubt that those attacks perfectly mirrored these most recent ones, but it's like she couldn't pass up the media attention once it was at her front stoop, so she kept throwing logs on the fire. And to push forward with this specific one even after the weed revelation just boggles the mind. Makes me cringe. I hadn't previously considered whether or not she herself would be in these victim's ears trying to get them to report these incidents as hate crimes, but now that you mention it, it's completely possible. Anything to keep the steady stream of news vans setting up shop on Port Richmond Ave. It's really a shame though because the nonprofit she works for, Project Hospitality, really does do a lot of good for Islanders of all ethnicities and circumstances. There's just something grimey about her though.
She's been in the papers for over a decade. Everything she does revolves around 'immigrants'. Not simply the poor or down on their luck, 'immigrants', translate: the illegal mexicans. I've never read about her doing anything for blacks, whites or the other poor people in that neighborhood. All she does is aid criminals. I've been waiting for the day the police find something on her and get rid of her.
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Old 09-17-2010, 11:15 AM
 
Location: Port Richmond, Staten Island, New York City, New York, 10302
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She's been in the papers for over a decade. Everything she does revolves around 'immigrants'. Not simply the poor or down on their luck, 'immigrants', translate: the illegal mexicans. I've never read about her doing anything for blacks, whites or the other poor people in that neighborhood. All she does is aid criminals. I've been waiting for the day the police find something on her and get rid of her.

The best is that if you ever go by that El Centro de Hospitalidad place on Castleton Ave. during one of their food giveaways there's usually close to, if not more than, as many black people as there is Mexicans lined up in front. And I'm sure the organization doesn't go out of their way to inform the black residents of the community of their hours and services. I just love the 'Let them try to tell me to leave' mentality, lol. Hey, whatever works...

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Old 09-17-2010, 12:43 PM
 
Location: Staten Island, New York
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The best is that if you ever go by that El Centro de Hospitalidad place on Castleton Ave. during one of their food giveaways there's usually close to, if not more than, as many black people as there is Mexicans lined up in front. And I'm sure the organization doesn't go out of their way to inform the black residents of the community of their hours and services. I just love the 'Let them try to tell me to leave' mentality, lol. Hey, whatever works...
That's some relief actually. At least she is helping some of the blacks around here. Maybe I should go there for the next giveaway! Heck, I'm out of work.
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