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Old 07-19-2010, 09:10 PM
 
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Old 07-20-2010, 03:32 AM
 
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Great article,Seventh.
I would never have known that 80% of the people in public housing are NOT on welfare,that rents and federal subsidies actually cover the operating costs or that 40% of the residents are either senior citizens or disabled.These are all important things to keep in mind when people talk about dismantling the system.
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Old 07-20-2010, 08:02 AM
 
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I think it was an interesting article but it really doesn't give you a 'real' assessment of the housing projects, just statistics. So let's step back and talk about those statistics.

80% of the people in public housing are not on welfare. I don't doubt that to be the case but it's a word game and slight of hand really. One reason is the major welfare reform that occurred in the 90s, and not because the tenant's are now middle class. They were booted off the rolls and forced to find other avenues of income (other government programs). Which brings us to the 40% that are senior citizens and 'disabled'. You should note that the senior citizens of today, were the poor/destitute/welfare cases of 1,2,3+ decades ago..they simply got old and are now classified as "senior citizens."

Those 40% that are also 'disabled' is a farce, as anyone can qualify as disabled, as we have seen with the LI Fireman "Johnny Lungs" 'Johnny Lungs': Cough up more - NYPOST.com . The welfare cases simply turned to another subsidy to exploit...disability..and that gravy train is the new 'welfare.' So yeah 80% are no longer on 'welfare' but they simply aged into the category of 'senior citizen' or were moved off welfare into another government program like disability.

How come the article didn't discuss how many tenant's are on food stamps or other government programs? This would be an excellent gauge of the income of residents and would likely show that although 80% are not on "welfare"...75% are on welfare-like government programs....word games and slight of hand..nothing more.

As fare as dismantling the system, I do not believe we should at all, as, in general, the housing stock is quite good and in key locations. It is simply a matter of changing it from housing exclusively for the destitute/vertical homeless shelters to working/middle class also. Unfortunately, by law NYC must find permanent housing for the homeless, so public housing's fate is sealed until that law is changed. People come from across the country (and PR) straight to homeless shelters, and then the city is required to find them housing by law. They then enter the section 8 system, another welfare program (like disability, HASA, etc), or the public housing system.
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Old 07-20-2010, 06:18 PM
 
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I think it was an interesting article but it really doesn't give you a 'real' assessment of the housing projects, just statistics. So let's step back and talk about those statistics.

80% of the people in public housing are not on welfare. I don't doubt that to be the case but it's a word game and slight of hand really. One reason is the major welfare reform that occurred in the 90s, and not because the tenant's are now middle class. They were booted off the rolls and forced to find other avenues of income (other government programs). Which brings us to the 40% that are senior citizens and 'disabled'. You should note that the senior citizens of today, were the poor/destitute/welfare cases of 1,2,3+ decades ago..they simply got old and are now classified as "senior citizens."

Those 40% that are also 'disabled' is a farce, as anyone can qualify as disabled, as we have seen with the LI Fireman "Johnny Lungs" 'Johnny Lungs': Cough up more - NYPOST.com . The welfare cases simply turned to another subsidy to exploit...disability..and that gravy train is the new 'welfare.' So yeah 80% are no longer on 'welfare' but they simply aged into the category of 'senior citizen' or were moved off welfare into another government program like disability.

How come the article didn't discuss how many tenant's are on food stamps or other government programs? This would be an excellent gauge of the income of residents and would likely show that although 80% are not on "welfare"...75% are on welfare-like government programs....word games and slight of hand..nothing more.

As fare as dismantling the system, I do not believe we should at all, as, in general, the housing stock is quite good and in key locations. It is simply a matter of changing it from housing exclusively for the destitute/vertical homeless shelters to working/middle class also. Unfortunately, by law NYC must find permanent housing for the homeless, so public housing's fate is sealed until that law is changed. People come from across the country (and PR) straight to homeless shelters, and then the city is required to find them housing by law. They then enter the section 8 system, another welfare program (like disability, HASA, etc), or the public housing system.
explain "welfare-like" programs.
whats the difference between a family that receives bonafide welfare and a family that receives "welfare-like" assistance? its a subsidy from some type of authority no matter how you hash it, so i think it all falls under the welfare umbrella. i just dont see the difference.
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Old 07-20-2010, 07:14 PM
 
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Just out of curiosity, how much does an person get on welfare? Living in New York I would imagine at least $300 a week. Does anyone know the amount per week?
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Old 07-20-2010, 07:47 PM
 
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Just out of curiosity, how much does an person get on welfare? Living in New York I would imagine at least $300 a week. Does anyone know the amount per week?
depends...biggest variables are income and family size.
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Old 07-20-2010, 08:40 PM
 
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depends...biggest variables are income and family size.


OK One person, single, no job. My guess is $250 per week
Next, A single mother, 2 kids, no job. My guess $450 per week.
What are the correct answers?
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Old 07-20-2010, 10:28 PM
 
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OK One person, single, no job. My guess is $250 per week
Next, A single mother, 2 kids, no job. My guess $450 per week.
What are the correct answers?
i dont work for welfare so i cant answer you.
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Old 07-20-2010, 10:58 PM
 
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i dont work for welfare so i cant answer you.

Does anyone know? I'd just like to know how much lazy people get from the American worker.

How much does each jobless individual get of my money each week from welfare?
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Old 07-20-2010, 11:07 PM
 
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Does anyone know? I'd just like to know how much lazy people get from the American worker.

How much does each jobless individual get of my money each week from welfare?
why doesnt it bother you that you pay for SSI but its not a guarantee you'll get it?
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