6 shot in 4 seperate incidents (Central Harlem) (low income, real estate, rent)

[Hustla718]

6 people were shot in 4 seperate incidents last night in Central Harlem. A neighborhood less then a square mile in size. 35,000 people.

In one of the shootings, there was almost a riot after an arrest. A citywide mobilization needed to a be called to assist the 28 precinct.

Big night for the 28, this is late 1980's level violence. Over the last few years violence has been coming back hard to Harlem and the rest of the city. This is a taste of what is to come. Last year Harlem hit a 10 year high for murders.

The night before in East Harlem, three men were shot during a shootout with police. One died of gunfire.

These shootings do not include the daily shots fired runs that are so common.

The scary thing is there is no clear indicator as to why crime is rising. There is no major drug, only a violent mentality on the streets, combined with greater income disparity and less cops.

[zonababe]

Originally Posted by Hustla718

6 people were shot in 4 seperate incidents last night in Central Harlem. A neighborhood less then a square mile in size. 35,000 people.

In one of the shootings, there was almost a riot after an arrest. A citywide mobilization needed to a be called to assist the 28 precinct.

Big night for the 28, this is late 1980's level violence. Over the last few years violence has been coming back hard to Harlem and the rest of the city. This is a taste of what is to come. Last year Harlem hit a 10 year high for murders.

The night before in East Harlem, three men were shot during a shootout with police. One died of gunfire.

These shootings do not include the daily shots fired runs that are so common.

The scary thing is there is no clear indicator as to why crime is rising. There is no major drug, only a violent mentality on the streets, combined with greater income disparity and less cops.

You seem to have a lot of information on local crime and demographics. Are you a police officer? I no longer live in NY, but I enjoy reading your posts in the NY forum. You seem to, "tell it like it is."
Thanks.

[smalltownusa]

Originally Posted by Hustla718

6 people were shot in 4 seperate incidents last night in Central Harlem. A neighborhood less then a square mile in size. 35,000 people.

In one of the shootings, there was almost a riot after an arrest. A citywide mobilization needed to a be called to assist the 28 precinct.

Big night for the 28, this is late 1980's level violence. Over the last few years violence has been coming back hard to Harlem and the rest of the city. This is a taste of what is to come. Last year Harlem hit a 10 year high for murders.

The night before in East Harlem, three men were shot during a shootout with police. One died of gunfire.

These shootings do not include the daily shots fired runs that are so common.

The scary thing is there is no clear indicator as to why crime is rising. There is no major drug, only a violent mentality on the streets, combined with greater income disparity and less cops.

I hate to sound like henny penny here but crime is rising everywhere.....there is such a feeling of entitlement out there that when people aren't GETTING their way, out come the guns....here in upstate NY, the number of shootings is per capita higher then NYC in a small segment of the community and every weekend we have parades of family members pleading for the violence to stop........my small-minded, small-town opinion is the ok-corral mentality has been superceded by the rap mentality and it's everyone for themselves.....the price on a human life is lower than a new pair of b-ball sneakers....and if anyone is reading between the lines and I've stepped on your toes, let me repeat what I said to my 14 yo son who was accusing me of being racially unfair: "the shoot first; ask questions later" thought process has permeated the minds of a large segment and how to cleanse it out of the population's mindset is anyone's guess....I truly wish I could help but it's almost like an out of control train at this point...............

[Hustla718]

Originally Posted by zonababe

You seem to have a lot of information on local crime and demographics. Are you a police officer? I no longer live in NY, but I enjoy reading your posts in the NY forum. You seem to, "tell it like it is."
Thanks.

I do work for the NYPD "unfortunately" so I try to provide information. I am always interested in demographics and crime trends as well.

Originally Posted by smalltownusa

I hate to sound like henny penny here but crime is rising everywhere.....there is such a feeling of entitlement out there that when people aren't GETTING their way, out come the guns....here in upstate NY, the number of shootings is per capita higher then NYC in a small segment of the community and every weekend we have parades of family members pleading for the violence to stop........my small-minded, small-town opinion is the ok-corral mentality has been superceded by the rap mentality and it's everyone for themselves.....the price on a human life is lower than a new pair of b-ball sneakers....and if anyone is reading between the lines and I've stepped on your toes, let me repeat what I said to my 14 yo son who was accusing me of being racially unfair: "the shoot first; ask questions later" thought process has permeated the minds of a large segment and how to cleanse it out of the population's mindset is anyone's guess....I truly wish I could help but it's almost like an out of control train at this point...............

NYC may have a lower per capita crime rate then some smaller towns upstate for example, but there is so much raw total crime in such a small area "per capita" goes out the window. How is a neighborhood that has 6 people shot in about half a square mile a "safe" neighborhood in the so called safest city in the USA? It goes against common sense. This is the average weekend outcome in low income areas across NYC. Anywhere else you have 6 people shot in half a square mile in seperate incidents on one night the national guard would be called. This wasn't the only place people were shot last night either. Every borough had their share. Of course this was the highlight. The title safest city may apply to the wealthy living in Chelsea or the Upper East Side, however the reality is VERY different for those living in low income NYC.

But you are right, crime is rising across the nation. Upstate is really getting hit hard.

Another thing is, none of those shot in this area last night died. They are all stable. Back in the early 90's there would have at least been two homicides out of this. Thank advances in medicine for a sharp drop in homicides. These days NYC only averages about 2 killed a day, last night only one man was killed in Brooklyn. Shot to the chest in a hallway. By comparison during the summer in the early 90's, we would see about 10-12 killed every night.

[mellat]

I wouldn't be shocked if they ended up being related. When I first read the news I thought there that must be some correlation because they happened in such close proximity to each other and in such a short time. Also the age range of the victims and the fact that none of them were fatally shot. It seems that they weren't MEANT to be fatally shot because of where they received their wounds. I'll be keeping up to date on this one. It's bringing out the CSI in me.

[samyn on the green]

Does any of this get reported on the news? What is the NY medias agenda, and why do they bury this activity?

I remember stabbings, riots, robberies, fires and brutal beatings daily in H.S. it was all S.O.P. and not newsworthy. The three R's were rapeing, rapping and robbing where I am from.

[NickL28]

Originally Posted by Hustla718

6 people were shot in 4 seperate incidents last night in Central Harlem. A neighborhood less then a square mile in size. 35,000 people.

In one of the shootings, there was almost a riot after an arrest. A citywide mobilization needed to a be called to assist the 28 precinct.

Big night for the 28, this is late 1980's level violence. Over the last few years violence has been coming back hard to Harlem and the rest of the city. This is a taste of what is to come. Last year Harlem hit a 10 year high for murders.

The night before in East Harlem, three men were shot during a shootout with police. One died of gunfire.

These shootings do not include the daily shots fired runs that are so common.

The scary thing is there is no clear indicator as to why crime is rising. There is no major drug, only a violent mentality on the streets, combined with greater income disparity and less cops.

The credit bubble is deflating. The easy money, real estate speculation & these midwestern Gen Y hipsters using their parents Home Equity to spend $3,000 a month in rent is ending.

And no NYC is not immune to a real estate downturn or a rise in crime.

The police should have more things to do, but lately they seem to be concerned with crimes like Driving Without Wearing a Seatbelt or Having an expired registration not to mention the constant post 09/11 hysteria that NY'ers are paying for in terms of higher taxes & costs on everything.

It is only when some transplanted yuppie hipster gets killed (Nicole DuFresne) do the newspapers make it front page news and use these scare these scare tactics

[NickL28]

Originally Posted by samyn on the green

Does any of this get reported on the news? What is the NY medias agenda, and why do they bury this activity?

I remember stabbings, riots, robberies, fires and brutal beatings daily in H.S. it was all S.O.P. and not newsworthy. The three R's were rapeing, rapping and robbing where I am from.

Only when some wealthy white transplant gets killed or mugged in prime Manhattan does it become Front Page news and papers like the NY Post & Daily News milk it for all its worth.

[kort677]

Originally Posted by samyn on the green

Does any of this get reported on the news? What is the NY medias agenda, and why do they bury this activity?

little of this gets reported, why report hard news when we can learn about aunt tessie's liver spots? The NY media's agenda is to report warm fuzzy stories, interjected with off the wall sensationalism, maybe a cult cutting off squirrels tails in riverside park on full moon nights would be a story but shots fired at a police station has no news value

[Hustla718]

Originally Posted by mellat

I wouldn't be shocked if they ended up being related. When I first read the news I thought there that must be some correlation because they happened in such close proximity to each other and in such a short time. Also the age range of the victims and the fact that none of them were fatally shot. It seems that they weren't MEANT to be fatally shot because of where they received their wounds. I'll be keeping up to date on this one. It's bringing out the CSI in me.

Unrelated, and one ended up dieing. There actually turned out to be 7 shot that night.

Another 3 guys were seriously hit but stablized. Two were hit in the upper back. One hit on the side. The rest were bull**** hits (legs).

We have crazy nights like that once every once and a while where I work. It's just a combination of hot weather (='s people), alcohol/drugs, and ghetto bull****.

Originally Posted by samyn on the green

Does any of this get reported on the news? What is the NY medias agenda, and why do they bury this activity?

I remember stabbings, riots, robberies, fires and brutal beatings daily in H.S. it was all S.O.P. and not newsworthy. The three R's were rapeing, rapping and robbing where I am from.

Too common for the news. Black/Latino male shot, what else is new? Real estate people also discourage that sort of talk. Those in high places.

I love when people thinking the blotter in the post is are the only crimes that happened over night. If they only knew.