Do any of you actually believe the 2009 crime statistics? (neighborhood, school)

[nycistheplace2]

Originally Posted by Infamous92

Can't just brush someone off because of their age.

Exactly.
17 years is a long time.

Here are some more incidents

Robbery | Jamaica Av & 170 St Queens, NY | 8/4/2010 4:14 a.m.
Male Shot | Kingston Av & Midwood St Brooklyn, NY | 8/4/2010 2:27 a.m.
Robbery / Mobilization | 70th Av Queens, NY | 8/4/2010 12:00 a.m.
Stabbing | Blvd Pd & Ems Os Bronx, NY | 8/3/2010 9:46 p.m.
Armed Robbery | E 170st & Grand Concourse Bronx, NY | 8/3/2010 8:26 p.m.
Serious Assault | 8/3/2010 5:48 p.m.
Possible Sexual Assault | Bronx, NY | 8/3/2010 6:30 p.m.
Robbery | Staten Island, NY | 8/3/2010 9:25 p.m.
Robbery | 90th St & Rockaway Freeway Queens, NY | 8/3/2010 3:12 p.m.

This is 2010 not 2009.
The past few days seem relatively quiet.

Some July incidents

Full-screenShooting 07/11/2010
TOMPKINS AVENUE AND KOSCIUSZKO STREET, 1 DEAD,2 WOUNDED

Full-screenShooting 07/09/2010
XX NORTH OXFORD WALKFull-screen
VICTIM WAS PRONOUNCED DEAD

Shooting 07/11/2010
135TH STREET AND LIBERTY AVENUE
VICTIM WAS PRONOUNCED DEAD AT THE SCENE.

Full-screenShooting 06/28/2010
LEGION STREET AND SUTTER AVE
2 CHILDREN WERE WOUNDED

Full-screenShooting 06/22/2010
PROSPECT PARKFull-screen
A MAN WAS KILLED IN A ROBBERY IN PROSPECT PARK


Shooting 06/25/2010
160TH STREET AND 140TH AVENUE A woman, 20, was shot and wounded

Full-screenShooting 07/18/2010
VANDAM AND HUDSON STREETS
A MAN WAS SHOT AND WOUNDED

Full-screenShooting 06/18/2010
EAST 92ND STREET AND FIRST AVENUE
A DISABLED MAN WAS SHOT IN THE BACK

Full-screenShooting 07/17/2010
SECOND AVENUE AND 122ND STREET
TWO TEENAGERS WERE SHOT AND WOUNDED

Full-screenShooting 06/08/2010
BRITTON STREET AND OLINVILLE AVE
A MAN WAS SHOT IN THE HEAD

Shooting 06/11/2010
183RD STREET AND WEBSTER AVENUE

Full-screenShooting 06/05/2010
187TH ST. AND LORILLARD PL
A MAN WAS SHOT IN THE LEG

Full-screenShooting 07/11/2010
15XX EAST 172ND STREETFull-screen
A FATHER AND DAUGHTER WERE SHOT

Shooting 07/09/2010
BARNES AVE. AND E. 226TH ST


Full-screenShooting 06/06/2010
SEDGWICK AVENUE AND WEST 229TH STREET
A MAN WAS SHOT IN THE CHEST

Full-screenShooting 07/21/2010
EAST 132ND STREET AND MADISON AVENUE

Full-screenShooting 06/30/2010
WEST 28TH STREET AND NINTH AVENUE
A WOMAN AND HER CHILD WERE NEARLY SHOT BUT THE ATTACKERS MISSED

Full-screenShooting 06/18/2010
LORIMER STREET AND DRIGGS AVENUEA teenage boy was shot twice in the leg

Full-screenShooting 06/25/2010
AVENUE X AND HARING STREETTwo men were arrested for shooting a 26-year-old man shot in the leg and a 25-year-old with a bullet to the chest


Full-screenShooting 07/08/2010
THROOP AVE. AND HALSEY STREET
A MAN WAS SHOT AND KILLED IN BROOKLYN

Shooting 07/31/2010
202ND STREET
TWO TEENAGERS WERE SHOT IN QUEENS

Full-screenShooting 06/26/2010
HANCOCK STREET AND BUSHWICK AVENUEFull-screen
A WOMEN WAS SHOT 12 TIMES

Shooting 06/26/2010
HALSEY STREET AND WILSON AVENUE
A 32-year-old man was found shot


Full-screenShooting 06/20/2010
22XX FULTON AVEPolice found a 31-year-man with a gunshot wound to the torso

There were a few more that i found but I wont even bother posting them.
These were all from June to August,these are just a few I found.

[SobroGuy]

Your listing of incidents is well..a list of incidents. So what? We know crime happens in NYC..so what? In order to make an educated deduction, you must compare and contrast, and use your brain/experience to draw a reasonable conclusion. Simply listing headlines is pointless and only proves that there is crime in NYC. Yeah we got that.

And at the rate we are going, 2010 will likely be around 2008 murders, which is the 2nd lowest crime rate on record. So I ask...what's your point with this thread? We all agree stats are fudged. Done...now let's close this thread and stick with one crime thread.

[nycistheplace2]

Originally Posted by SobroGuy

Your listing of incidents is well..a list of incidents. So what? We know crime happens in NYC..so what? In order to make an educated deduction, you must compare and contrast, and use your brain/experience to draw a reasonable conclusion. Simply listing headlines is pointless and only proves that there is crime in NYC. Yeah we got that.

And at the rate we are going, 2010 will likely be around 2008 murders, which is the 2nd lowest crime rate on record. So I ask...what's your point with this thread? We all agree stats are fudged. Done...now let's close this thread and stick with one crime thread.

[SobroGuy]

Now you know how I feel!

[Bronxguyanese]

Originally Posted by brooklynborndad

shootings aren't homicides.

Back in the 1980s Baltimore's homicide rate declined when the new UofMD trauma center opened. Just as many shootings, of the same type, but the work of the medics and doctors turned them from homicides to aggravated assaults

Kind of agree, as a graduate of John Jay College of Criminal Justice, I have studied many crime paterns and statstics. I have found by myself and also supported by a professor the reason why murders are down in nyc is just that the response times by ems are quick, and thanks to technology like gps ems kind find the fastest route from incident to emergency room. We also can not forgot that the NYPD does not report all crime, rest of the crime nypd reports is submitted to the FBI and the Justice Department. There is also crimes that happen and are never reported, like missing people. We also can not forget taht the NYPD is not great at solving murders, but its better off not solving the murders instead of tying an innocent person to the crime like what happens in the 3rd world. If anything if we want to prevent murders, try reading Philp K Dicks novel Minorty Report or the watch the film.

[knh39]

I don't know if this point has already been made- I didn't read all of the second page. But crime stats are really subjective too. For example, lets say in one day there was a hit and run with a fatality and a stray bullet that struck and killed someone. Are those accidental deaths or homicides? A police officer hits someone while on a call and kills them. Accidental death or homicide? A drunk driver hits someone and kills them. Accidental or homicide? Really depends on how they interpret the details of what happened and what they file it as.

[DC90]

Yes, I believe the 2009 crime statistics.

[nycistheplace2]

Originally Posted by knh39

I don't know if this point has already been made- I didn't read all of the second page. But crime stats are really subjective too. For example, lets say in one day there was a hit and run with a fatality and a stray bullet that struck and killed someone. Are those accidental deaths or homicides? A police officer hits someone while on a call and kills them. Accidental death or homicide? A drunk driver hits someone and kills them. Accidental or homicide? Really depends on how they interpret the details of what happened and what they file it as.

Thats basically what they do. They try their best to list it as an accidental death or a suicide if they can.

[Dennis Brown]

The theory that all cities fudge their crime stats is a 'cop out' (pun intended) because we shouldnt just assume every city in fact does that and also to what degree. Its obvious NYC has a great financial incentive to do so and with recent stories leaking from the NYPD confirming this we may in fact be looking at numbers that are substantially off. Also on top of that the amount of illegal immigrants in NYC (as compared to alot of other cities in the US) makes it that more easier to scratch a incident right off the books.

Once again this is not to say crime isnt significantly down from the late 80's/early 90's but maybe not as far down as we are being led to believe.

[nycistheplace2]

Originally Posted by Dennis Brown

The theory that all cities fudge their crime stats is a 'cop out' (pun intended) because we shouldnt just assume every city in fact does that and also to what degree. Its obvious NYC has a great financial incentive to do so and with recent stories leaking from the NYPD confirming this we may in fact be looking at numbers that are substantially off. Also on top of that the amount of illegal immigrants in NYC (as compared to alot of other cities in the US) makes it that more easier to scratch a incident right off the books.

Once again this is not to say crime isnt significantly down from the late 80's/early 90's but maybe not as far down as we are being led to believe.

I'd say crime has been increasing since 2007. Probably not much but still
I have my doubts.
Also, do they add illegal immigrants to the homicide count?