1970s NYC was the worst time for ANY city in America (New York: living, safer)

[Coolchris4000b]

Originally Posted by holden125

Jesus, why do you not educate yourself before you call me crazy. It's not two buildings, there are over 4,500 apartments in four different complexes. And there is no landlord. They're co-ops. The nation's first co-ops. They were Mitchell-Lama. They had price caps until the late 90's but even after then people have held on to them. Why sell unless you want to leave NYC altogether? You'll not get a bigger place in Manhattan for the money you'd pocket. And people have strong community ties there. There's also a co-op board "flip tax" to prevent people from treating them purely as RE investment.

I know plenty of people in the buildings. Their apartments have been passed down from their grandparents. It's in Manhattan, but kind of out of the way so it's off the radar. The units don't come up for sale that much. 1 BRs are going for 400K.

Cooperative Village - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
New York Times
http://www.lohorealty.com/nyt071500/

And it's still heavily Jewish. Go check it out down there before you run your mouth.

Grand St. manager’s son arrested in E.M.S. ruckus

"Lohorealty" is a broken link genius. I highly doubt theres apartments available for 400k in ANYWHERE IN MANHATTAN.

[Bronxguyanese]

What I found intresting about nyc in the 70s sand 80s was the amount of drugs people were hooked and how much drugs passed through many parts of the city. People were hooked on so much drugs it ended destroying families and then entire niegborhoods building by building then block to block. Its like people had no hope and Charon was at your door ready to ferry you across the river sticks. So much drugs passed in through the city Washington Hieghts was popular with Bridge and Tunnel Crowd from NJ and they would buy drugs of the Dominicans. Williamsburg Brooklyn was one of the worst drug ridden areas in nyc probably worse then Mott Haven in the South Bronx. Williamsburg was drug hub. People from Upstate NY would drive down to Williamsburg to pick up drugs. Williamsburg residents knew who was an undercover cop and who was a customer just by thier the way they speak. Puertoricans and Italians fought each otehr for control of the niegborhood and the lucartive drug trade. I also put part of the blame on the downfall of nyc back in those days for drug addiction. Speaking of Williamsburg hipsters and yuppies will never know that twenty years ago that area where they live now was a major drug an destribution center of all sorts of drugs into the city and an area of violent crime.

Thank You John Jay College for teaching me a thing or too

[Coolchris4000b]

Originally Posted by Bronxguyanese

What I found intresting about nyc in the 70s sand 80s was the amount of drugs people were hooked and how much drugs passed through many parts of the city. People were hooked on so much drugs it ended destroying families and then entire niegborhoods building by building then block to block. Its like people had no hope and Charon was at your door ready to ferry you across the river sticks. So much drugs passed in through the city Washington Hieghts was popular with Bridge and Tunnel Crowd from NJ and they would buy drugs of the Dominicans. Williamsburg Brooklyn was one of the worst drug ridden areas in nyc probably worse then Mott Haven in the South Bronx. Williamsburg was drug hub. People from Upstate NY would drive down to Williamsburg to pick up drugs. Williamsburg residents knew who was an undercover cop and who was a customer just by thier the way they speak. Puertoricans and Italians fought each otehr for control of the niegborhood and the lucartive drug trade. I also put part of the blame on the downfall of nyc back in those days for drug addiction. Speaking of Williamsburg hipsters and yuppies will never know that twenty years ago that area where they live now was a major drug an destribution center of all sorts of drugs into the city and an area of violent crime.

Thank You John Jay College for teaching me a thing or too

Yup, thats what my dad tells me. He grew up in Washington Heights(well, Inwood) in the 70s, hes Irish-American btw, but he grew up in the mostly Hispanic part, and he tells me, the drugs were crazy then, but he did say this the one good thing about living in the hood was that they didn't really use it, the junkies came in to Inwood and the Heights to purchase it, but the dealers and stuff didn't really use it, at least not the hard stuff like the Heroin and Crack. But of course there was plenty of crack heads residing in the parks and all over the slum blocks. He grew up on Post ave until 1976 then moved to seaman ave...I'm 22 I don't know much about the 70s lol

[Fred314X]

Originally Posted by SuperMario

Maybe a block or 2. But I doubt you can find a neighborhood of 25,000 which is as bad. There are not 25,000 people living in abandoned neighborhoods.

No matter how many crime stats for any part of this city you can find, New York still didn't experience the rioting that Newark, Detroit and Watts did.

[nycistheplace2]

Originally Posted by SobroGuy

I am discussing the changes that occured in the LES..and the changes that are now occuring in the Southern Bronx. Same types of people are starting to move in now that moved in back in the day in the LES...they were attracted to the grittiness, affordability, edginess, and the housing stock consisting of housing projects, tenements, and some brownstone buildings.

Its sad what happened to The Lower East Side.
All those people who were there for generations got kicked out.
I was talking to a lady from Alphabet City and I was shocked to learned what rents were before it gentrified.
She said she never paid more then $300 for an apartment. I never knew NY could have gotten that cheap but then again my parents house in Astoria was bought for dirt cheap in 1985.

[holden125]

Originally Posted by Coolchris4000b

"Lohorealty" is a broken link genius. I highly doubt theres apartments available for 400k in ANYWHERE IN MANHATTAN.

This is why I don't miss NY. People who can't spell or punctuate act like I'm a moron. It wasn't a broken link when I looked at it yesterday, or when I just clicked on it in my earlier post. In any event, that's not the link that said the apartments were going for $400K. This is:

Cooperative Village - 550 Grand Street, New York, NY > CityRealty

I had a friend who bought a studio on CPW and 82nd for under $300K about 3 years ago. Go to NY Times real estate listings online and there are over 1,100 apartments in Manhattan at 400K and under.

[holden125]

Originally Posted by Fred314X

No matter how many crime stats for any part of this city you can find, New York still didn't experience the rioting that Newark, Detroit and Watts did.

Yeah, but to be fair the riots lasted only a few days. The thread's about how, during the whole decade of the 70's, day-to-day life was bad in NYC. I'm not saying I agree with that, but brief riots aren't a good comparison. The thing about Newark and Detroit, though, is that daily life got much worse after the riots since so many people moved out of those cities. They lost population and the crime rate went up.

[brooklynborndad]

Originally Posted by holden125

This is why I don't miss NY. People who can't spell or punctuate act like I'm a moron.

so youre telling me all the jerks in every interwebz forum are from NY? Whodathunkit?

[brooklynborndad]

Originally Posted by Bronxguyanese

its real funny and ironic that during the 70s and 80s Detrioit was a symbol of hope and prosperity for the rest of the nation while NYC. It was the center of auto manufracturing and everyone had a house and good job in the auto industry. Thats not the case anymore. What NYC expierenced in the 70s and 80s Detroit is expierencing now.

1. By the early 80s the auto industry had largely lost the market for small cars to the Japanese, and was in major panic. The boom in minivans, SUVs, and Pick ups that came with cheap gas and late reagan and clinton era prosperity hadnt happened yet

2. the auto industry has always been cyclical, adding to the troubles in the early 80s

3. Even whent he auto industry was doing okay, Detroit proper was not. Much of the industry is in the suburbs, or other parts of Michigan. I was in Detroit in, I think it was 1985 for a conference at the Renaissance Center. The Ren Cen may have represented hope, but most of the city was awful.

[holden125]

Originally Posted by brooklynborndad

so youre telling me all the jerks in every interwebz forum are from NY? Whodathunkit?

Obviously not, but you generally don't see on the Mass. board the level of name calling you see here. Some of the other regulars on here, whom I won't name, show an unecessary level of vitriol. Right here in this thread there's a couple different people calling me -- and you -- "crazy" or "genius," sarcastically, when they're the ones who are ignorant about the LES co-ops.

When I was still living in NYC I was pretty active on this board, but I hadn't been until just recently. The difference is pretty striking. People on the other board disagree pretty strongly sometimes but there's basically no name calling at all.