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Old 08-10-2010, 10:49 AM
 
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@ MikefromCT thanks for the book suggestion. I think the first few projects that were built in Queens might have been in Long Island City?? That's what I heard but I am not too, too sure. Sorry.... @ NYChistorygal thanks so much for saying so. That's really sweet.
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Old 08-10-2010, 12:07 PM
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...Somewhere in Queens but I forget where, the first city housing project went up in the late 1930s...
The first housing project was built in the Lower East Side, not Queens, appropriately named "First Houses". Celebrating public housing where it first got started, at First Houses

I suggest to anyone who wants to know the history of NYCHA, from beginning to present, to read "Public Housing That Worked: New York in the Twentieth Century" by Nicholas Bloom. As far as I know, it's the only book devoted to the entire history of Housing.
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Old 08-10-2010, 12:37 PM
 
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The first housing project was built in the Lower East Side, not Queens, appropriately named "First Houses". Celebrating public housing where it first got started, at First Houses

I suggest to anyone who wants to know the history of NYCHA, from beginning to present, to read "Public Housing That Worked: New York in the Twentieth Century" by Nicholas Bloom. As far as I know, it's the only book devoted to the entire history of Housing.
I must have been thinking of the Queensbridge Houses in Queens. Those are earlier ones too, even if they're not the first. They're probably the biggest complex, though. I mean, I haven't actually been to them but I've familiar with that complex. It is huge.

I'm curious as to how exactly these older complexes hold up today, if they plan on maintaining them or replacing them, and how the area is.
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Old 08-10-2010, 07:32 PM
 
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Looking around on Google Maps, you can tell where the projects are by the fact that they are all dark and miserable even from above.

Why are they all designed in the same way? To me, its kind of insulting grouping all people who require public housing to live in exactly the same type of building that screams "Hey, everyone in here is poor!".
my guess is that the majority of developments that look similar were probably designed by the same architect, or same group of architects.

there are a few NYCHA developments that are unique in design:

williamsburg houses, the only NYCHA desginated as a historic landmark:

http://forgotten-ny.com/NEIGHBORHOODS/east.willie/53a.wburg.houses.jpg (broken link)

marlboro houses, whose high rises feature exterior hallways...its hard to explain but if you have seen the movie american gangster, its the housing project in the end where they do the raid, and the exterior hallways are shown. i have been there before and walked through them.
sorry no pic

nostrand houses, where the walls of the stairwells are made of plexiglass (obvious crime deterrent) i've been here before too
sorry no pic

morrisania air rights
http://www.housingauthority.lagcc.cu....003.44037.jpg

clason point gardens:
http://gis.nyc.gov/nycha/assets/imag...e/TDS011_A.jpg


coney island 1 (sites 4 and 5): this is a nycha building with actual duplex apartments. i have been in these, and one elevator stops on only even floors, the other stops on odd. not for nothing, these were one of the filthiest projects i have ever been to. vey dirty. no pics again. the building is nicknamed "pissy pink" byt the residents.

wyckoff gardens, white brick
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_HSeaJ0boO-...0/P1270699.jpg

harborview terrace, one of the newer NYCHA built in 1977:
http://gis.nyc.gov/nycha/assets/imag...e/TDS262_C.jpg
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Old 08-10-2010, 07:34 PM
 
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I must have been thinking of the Queensbridge Houses in Queens. Those are earlier ones too, even if they're not the first. They're probably the biggest complex, though. I mean, I haven't actually been to them but I've familiar with that complex. It is huge.

I'm curious as to how exactly these older complexes hold up today, if they plan on maintaining them or replacing them, and how the area is.
structurally the majority of NYCHA stock is very strong. no falling bricks or anything of that nature. most NYCHA buildings exeperience such issues as roof and pipe leaks. but nothing major to the infrastructure.
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Old 08-10-2010, 11:11 PM
 
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my guess is that the majority of developments that look similar were probably designed by the same architect, or same group of architects.

there are a few NYCHA developments that are unique in design:

williamsburg houses, the only NYCHA desginated as a historic landmark:

http://forgotten-ny.com/NEIGHBORHOODS/east.willie/53a.wburg.houses.jpg (broken link)

marlboro houses, whose high rises feature exterior hallways...its hard to explain but if you have seen the movie american gangster, its the housing project in the end where they do the raid, and the exterior hallways are shown. i have been there before and walked through them.
sorry no pic

nostrand houses, where the walls of the stairwells are made of plexiglass (obvious crime deterrent) i've been here before too
sorry no pic

morrisania air rights
http://www.housingauthority.lagcc.cu....003.44037.jpg

clason point gardens:
http://gis.nyc.gov/nycha/assets/imag...e/TDS011_A.jpg


coney island 1 (sites 4 and 5): this is a nycha building with actual duplex apartments. i have been in these, and one elevator stops on only even floors, the other stops on odd. not for nothing, these were one of the filthiest projects i have ever been to. vey dirty. no pics again. the building is nicknamed "pissy pink" byt the residents.

wyckoff gardens, white brick
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_HSeaJ0boO-...0/P1270699.jpg

harborview terrace, one of the newer NYCHA built in 1977:
http://gis.nyc.gov/nycha/assets/imag...e/TDS262_C.jpg

I know some projects are safer than others. How are the Marlboro projects on safety?
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Old 08-11-2010, 02:23 AM
 
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my guess is that the majority of developments that look similar were probably designed by the same architect, or same group of architects.

there are a few NYCHA developments that are unique in design:

williamsburg houses, the only NYCHA desginated as a historic landmark:

http://forgotten-ny.com/NEIGHBORHOODS/east.willie/53a.wburg.houses.jpg (broken link)

marlboro houses, whose high rises feature exterior hallways...its hard to explain but if you have seen the movie american gangster, its the housing project in the end where they do the raid, and the exterior hallways are shown. i have been there before and walked through them.
sorry no pic

nostrand houses, where the walls of the stairwells are made of plexiglass (obvious crime deterrent) i've been here before too
sorry no pic

morrisania air rights
http://www.housingauthority.lagcc.cu....003.44037.jpg

clason point gardens:
http://gis.nyc.gov/nycha/assets/imag...e/TDS011_A.jpg


coney island 1 (sites 4 and 5): this is a nycha building with actual duplex apartments. i have been in these, and one elevator stops on only even floors, the other stops on odd. not for nothing, these were one of the filthiest projects i have ever been to. vey dirty. no pics again. the building is nicknamed "pissy pink" byt the residents.

wyckoff gardens, white brick
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_HSeaJ0boO-...0/P1270699.jpg

harborview terrace, one of the newer NYCHA built in 1977:
http://gis.nyc.gov/nycha/assets/imag...e/TDS262_C.jpg
Interesting post. Some of NYC's public housing is very similar to in the UK.

This block is in my home town:

http://www.sheffield-fm.co.uk/park_hill_8206.jpg

Unfortunately, has now been knocked down as it was a haven for drugs, prostitution and general crime.
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Old 08-11-2010, 03:45 AM
 
Location: Beautiful Pelham Parkway,The Bronx
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Looking around on Google Maps, you can tell where the projects are by the fact that they are all dark and miserable even from above.

Why are they all designed in the same way? To me, its kind of insulting grouping all people who require public housing to live in exactly the same type of building that screams "Hey, everyone in here is poor!".
It's not just the public housing projects so it has nothing to with class or income or humiliating poor people.

If you look around NYC you will see lots of non projects that have the same look and are made of the same brick.
Peter Cooper Village and Stuyvesant Town in Manhattan are marketed as luxury housing:
http://www.realestatechannel.com/new...esant-Town.jpg

Parkchester,in The Bronx,is a condominium complex:
Google Image Result for http://www.forgotten-ny.com/SLICES/parkchester/macys.jpg

The boroughs are also littered with single and 2 family houses made of the same brick in the same period.
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Old 08-11-2010, 03:48 AM
 
Location: Beautiful Pelham Parkway,The Bronx
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Looking around on Google Maps, you can tell where the projects are by the fact that they are all dark and miserable even from above.

Why are they all designed in the same way? To me, its kind of insulting grouping all people who require public housing to live in exactly the same type of building that screams "Hey, everyone in here is poor!".
It's not just the public housing projects so it has nothing to with class or income or humiliating poor people.

If you look around NYC you will see lots of non projects that have the same look and are made of the same brick.
Peter Cooper Village and Stuyvesant Town in Manhattan are marketed as luxury housing:
http://www.realestatechannel.com/new...esant-Town.jpg
You might be assuming that some of these complexes are "projects" when they are not.

Parkchester,in The Bronx,is a condominium complex:
Google Image Result for http://www.forgotten-ny.com/SLICES/parkchester/macys.jpg
Thank god for the adornments!

The boroughs are also littered with single and 2 family houses made of the same brick in the same period.

It was all done during a period of mass production hysteria in the U.S.
We no longer really produce much of anything.

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Old 08-11-2010, 12:39 PM
 
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I know some projects are safer than others. How are the Marlboro projects on safety?
from 1 to 10, 10 being the most dangerous, about a 5.5.
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