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Old 07-11-2007, 02:42 PM
 
Location: Bethesda
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Default skyscrapers

Hey New Yorkers, I have a question.
Why has NY been strangely quiet in the recent race of supertall structures being built worldwide. Asia, Dubai, Chicago seem very enthusiastic about building. I realize a lack of space in Manhattan might be a problem but can you tell me why NY doesnt care about the #1 spot anymore?


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Old 07-11-2007, 02:51 PM
 
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NYC lost the skyscraper race a long time ago. Can't even build Freedom Tower, been a vacant lot for how many years now?

You want to see new huge skylines. East Asia and the Middle East. Chicago is still trying though, I have heard of some projects going up there. Want to see a mega skyline? Dubai and Hong Kong.

NYC cares more about yuppy condos and co-ops in the Upper East Side then mega skyscrapers.
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Old 07-11-2007, 02:55 PM
 
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We care more about BEAUTIFUL buildings more than we care about the tallest building. This is not a competition.
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Old 07-11-2007, 03:01 PM
 
Location: Bethesda
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yeah it just baffles me because I know that if businesses in NY wanted to get the record they could. NY's ecoomy dwarfs that of every other city except for Tokyo. Then again, they aren't actively building skyscrapers either.
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Old 07-11-2007, 03:10 PM
 
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We care more about BEAUTIFUL buildings more than we care about the tallest building. This is not a competition.
Have you even seen some of the buildings going up in East Asia and the Middle East. They are far from "ugly".

NYC was once part of the race for tallest. Even Freedom Tower was planned built to a height which would make it the tallest (at the time). The title was taken by a number of buildings which went up much faster.

NYC is out of the race, most construction is condos and co-ops.

Stuff like this:

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Old 07-11-2007, 03:28 PM
 
Location: Brooklyn New York
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If it made economic sense, they would no doubt be built.
Part of it is that the need is for more housing. The city is awash in building. Cranes everywhere.
Some huge residential projects going up. The Trump World Tower is the 7th tallest building in the city, and it is residential.
Also the push in the city's office buildings is more toward Green building rather than just Tall buildings.
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Old 07-11-2007, 04:25 PM
 
Location: Bronx, NY
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Well there is a plan out to redevelop the area around Penn Station and Madison square garden. Included in this plan is a sky-scraper as tall as the Empire State building. There's a skyscraper for you.

Plus, the Freedom Tower should be going up shortly, that will be 1776 ft tall, while not tha tallest in the world, it will definitely be very close to that.

I think the larger problem is that there isn't much space left in the business districts (midtown and wall st) to throw up new skyscrapers. In order to do so you would have to knock down some buildings, most of which are already quite high. So it doesn't make much economic sense to knock down a large skyscraper and replace it with a HUGE one.
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Old 07-11-2007, 09:08 PM
 
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Super-tall structures don't make economic sense, especially post 9/11, when potential commercial tenants feel like this kind of structure will be a target.

Building super-tall structures is more an exercise in personal and municipal ego gratification than sound business decision-making. The Empire State building and the Chrysler building were constructed as a competition of egos between Walter Chrysler (Chrysler Corp.) and John Jakob Raskob (creator of General Motors).

WTC was built at a time when massive square structures, the kind that obliterate four city blocks, were considered ideal. The Rockefellers we're influential in the decision to build it.

The Freedom Tower is being built - with lots of goverment funding - as more of a "statement" and vision of hope, rather than a sound business proposition. I've read that the Freedom Tower will initially be occupied by mostly government offices, because the private sector has no interest in renting space in the building.
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Old 07-11-2007, 10:21 PM
 
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Plus, the Freedom Tower should be going up shortly, that will be 1776 ft tall, while not tha tallest in the world, it will definitely be very close to that.
By the time the Freedom Tower is built, there will be a building up in the UAE twice it's size.

NYC is not in the skyscraper race anymore. Chicago is the only example I can think of, but they are trying to keep the US title.

Hong Kong is the king of Skyscrapers right now though.
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Old 07-11-2007, 10:47 PM
 
Location: Bronx, NY
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Hong Kong has a nice waterfront in Kowloon but it only appears so overwhelming because its VERY VERY Long but not very wide at all. There's a little strip on Hong Kong island of good land and then there are very tall mountains behind all of the skyscrapers. So all of the development on Hong Kong Island has to be built vertically, which makes it similar to Manhattan in a sense. Manhattan though definitely is competitive against HK by having a very wide island on which there are skyscrapers, and as a result there is a lot more to see and do in Manhattan than HK island.
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