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Old 12-09-2010, 09:10 AM
 
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Expell the from the school and give them probation or house arrest.

The last thing we need is to let a child molester go free in order to make room for these guys in our already disgustingly over-crowded jails.

As far as i'm concerned, as long as none of their clients were being forced to take drugs then what the hell does it matter? It's ridiculous how much money we waste fighting something that we will NEVER win. In fact drug use has only gone up over the years despite us throwing away billions of dollars to try and fight it.

Let people make their own decisions, as long as they aren't forcefully physically harming anyone else.

As far as the drug dealer who wanted to kidnap another drug dealer and force-feed him LSD, well obviously he was intending to do physical harm, so yes he should get jail time.
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Old 12-09-2010, 12:02 PM
 
Location: Brooklyn
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You'd think that a Columbia University student might have come up with something more intelligent than "we needed the money." Well...you go to college to learn things. Expulsion should be an important part of the learning process for this wonderful example of America's future.
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Old 12-09-2010, 05:21 PM
 
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You'd think that a Columbia University student might have come up with something more intelligent than "we needed the money." Well...you go to college to learn things. Expulsion should be an important part of the learning process for this wonderful example of America's future.
my thoughts exactly, what a dumb excuse

Hopefully they will be expelled. I don't think they should be treated differently than any other drug dealer just cause they were Columbia University students.
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Old 12-09-2010, 05:59 PM
 
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As far as i'm concerned, as long as none of their clients were being forced to take drugs then what the hell does it matter?
It matters to the 80 year old lady who was mugged for her social security check to support some dope fiend's habit

It matters to the family of the livery driver who was murdered for $50 so some addict could get a fix

It matters to the neighborhoods that have been destroyed by drug dealers

It matters to the baby who was born addicted to drugs because his/her drug addict mother couldn't stop using while she was pregnant


Drug dealing/drug use is NOT a "victimless" crime as you're making it out to be.
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Old 12-09-2010, 06:22 PM
 
Location: New York NY
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just a question for y'all folks who think we'd be better off with legalized drugs: once its philip morris or lorillard or pfizer or merck doing the selling, what do you think that the desperate, poor, hardened and hopeless young men in the 'hood will do -- sign up to work at mickey d's? i think not. legalization opens up a whole other can of worms, the biggest is that when you get rid of the way some folks make their living, there's gonna be trouble.
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Old 12-09-2010, 07:42 PM
 
Location: London
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just a question for y'all folks who think we'd be better off with legalized drugs: once its philip morris or lorillard or pfizer or merck doing the selling, what do you think that the desperate, poor, hardened and hopeless young men in the 'hood will do -- sign up to work at mickey d's? i think not. legalization opens up a whole other can of worms, the biggest is that when you get rid of the way some folks make their living, there's gonna be trouble.
Oh, woe is them. Let everyone else deal with the consequences of drug dealing just so that these "young men in the hood" won't have to wake up and get real, honest jobs.
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Old 12-09-2010, 08:25 PM
 
Location: New York NY
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uh, i think that if a lot of these folks could've gotten "real, honest jobs" then they would have already. there is among many (but not all) of them a major-league aliention from the mainstream. all i'm saying is that if your'e out of the street life/drug thing and out of the mainstream too, that could leave you with nothing to do and nowhere to go. the most dangerous man is the one with nothing to lose, and there would be many of these men out there.

i can see both sides to legalize/not legalize. but i dont think people think of all the consequences either way. personally i think drug use (and selling) is a symptom of a bigger disease in this country. but i know sometime all you can do with a disease is treat the symptoms, not cure it.
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Old 12-09-2010, 09:44 PM
 
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Yesterday five kids get arrested at Columbia for drug-dealing, selling pot, LSD, coke. etc from near their frat houses. Two of them, I read, say "we needed the tuition money." Another was in cahoots wth his own delaer downtwon on the LES who wanted to kidnap and murder a rival dealer by giving him a huge dose of acid.

A slap on the wrist? (This is New York, so no big deal)

Throw the book at them? (They did the crime so do the time)

Throw the book at the cops/prosecutors (We got REAL criminals around so why bother with them?)

Something in between?

Just curious. Personally I think they should drop the drug charges and throw the book at them for being so incredibly stupid. I mean this is the Ivy League, after all. They're supposed to be smart kids. But I wonder if they thought that being in the big city made them think that they were immune to getting caught, that they city would provide some sort of "cover" for them because they seemed to be only, at best. mid-level drug dealers.
It all depends. If they were not violent or part of a gang and just trying to pay for the hugely expensive tuition and books, then they should get probation, or possibly a fine. Saddling these people who are not even yet in the workforce with criminal records would eliminate their opportunities to get real work, and they will turn their talents and skill to white collar crime for the rest of their lives.
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Old 12-09-2010, 09:46 PM
 
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It matters to the 80 year old lady who was mugged for her social security check to support some dope fiend's habit

It matters to the family of the livery driver who was murdered for $50 so some addict could get a fix

It matters to the neighborhoods that have been destroyed by drug dealers

It matters to the baby who was born addicted to drugs because his/her drug addict mother couldn't stop using while she was pregnant


Drug dealing/drug use is NOT a "victimless" crime as you're making it out to be.
These things are not the fault of drug dealers but government because it is the government that creates a black-market. Drugs, like alcohol, should be legalized and regulated, combined with taxation and treatment programs.

The war on drugs is a failure (just like prohibition didn't work), but no politician has the political will to say so.
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Old 12-10-2010, 07:19 AM
 
Location: Brooklyn, NY
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It's like Hurricane Katrina. Don't you know only "Tyrone" was looting. Little "Katelyn" was just trying to feed herself.
Hell, let their azzes serve time like any other drug dealer.
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