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Old 05-03-2015, 04:14 PM
 
Location: D.C. / I-95
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Haitians are Latin tho but most dont identify as such. Guyana is definitely not latin however
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Old 05-03-2015, 07:26 PM
 
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Im late like 3 years but im still younger and dont really know about my guyanese family history or reall about guyana itself but we are still Latin even if most people call us Caribbean..Guyana is in South America just because our official language isnt spanish that makes us not latin? It doesnt make sence to me..
Guyanese are not Latin you do not speak a Latin language. Latin America is the Spanish speaking countries and Brazil (they speak Portuguese).

You could make a case for the French Caribbean being Latin as French is a Latin language but Guyana is a former English colony. Guyanese talk similarly to other English Caribbean nations and share similar ethnic make ups.
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Old 05-03-2015, 10:14 PM
 
Location: Bronx
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Guyanese are not Latin you do not speak a Latin language. Latin America is the Spanish speaking countries and Brazil (they speak Portuguese).

You could make a case for the French Caribbean being Latin as French is a Latin language but Guyana is a former English colony. Guyanese talk similarly to other English Caribbean nations and share similar ethnic make ups.
Their really isn't a definite opinion of what Guyana is a part of besides Guyana is indeed South American, however is culturally part of the Anglophone Caribbean. Also Guyana does not necessarily shares similar ethnic make of the British Caribbean example does the British Caribbean have Native Indian tribes? No they went extinct prior to British conquest of these Islands when they were occupied by the Spanish. Guyana's native Indians share cultural similarities to that of neighboring Brazil and Venezuela. Guyana has a near 100k of Native Indians and growing. Guyana is not country only made up of Asian Indians and Africans. Guyana is geographically located in Latin America, so in sense one can say Guyana is part of Latin America. Latin America was also politically divided either being supported by the USA and right wing or being against the USA while being supported by communist Cuba, or remain neutral. Guyana was socialist, Marxist and left leaning country with support from Cuba. To be honest Guyana was a Cuba satellite state. Also like Latin America, Guyana was ruled by a repressive dictator. The Anglo Caribbean islands did not have dictatorships and for most part the Islands are not even self ruling republics. Guyana is also part of Latin American trade blocs such as an associate member of Mercosur, UNASUR which is the South American Union, its also p[art of the Rio Group and so on. But lets not forget Guyana is also part of Caricom or Caribbean Common Market. But me I don't refer Guyana as Latin American or Caribbean. It is South American with cultural influences from the British West Indies. In order for Guyana to be truly West Indian it needs to be located in the Antilles and not on the edge of the Amazon Basin which is full of Jaguars, Anacondas, Sloths, very tall waterfalls as high as skyscrapers and hidden native tribes.

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Old 05-04-2015, 04:59 AM
 
Location: Bronx
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Guyanese are not Latin you do not speak a Latin language. Latin America is the Spanish speaking countries and Brazil (they speak Portuguese).

You could make a case for the French Caribbean being Latin as French is a Latin language but Guyana is a former English colony. Guyanese talk similarly to other English Caribbean nations and share similar ethnic make ups.
Guyana ethnic make up is no longer similar to that of the Anglo Caribbean. For one Guyana has plenty of resources which attracts plenty of Brazilians. When I last visited Guyana I did not eat much of Guyanese cuisine but I ate plenty of Brazilian cuisine and even went to Brazilian sports bars. Most Brazilians in Guyana are their illegally but have free movement of passage to being a member of UNASUR or South American Union. When I was their Samba could be heard in the air along with Trindiadian SOCA and Trinidadian Chutney and Jamaican Reggae and at time even Reggaeton. Its a weird mix.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e8-zPPQXG2k


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MxHhO_4Htgg

Guyana is has a growing and vibrant Native Indian or indigenous ethnic group. They are growing in number exponentially. While the black population stagnates and the Indian population is declining due to emigration, I suspect Guyana could have mostly indigenous population by the end of the century, that's if the country still exist and does not become a state or territory by neighboring countries. The Caribbean from Cuba to Trinidad and Tobago have their native population extinct by the Spanish Conquistadors. Like rest of South America, Guyana's native tribes live deep in the Amazon and away from the cost where average people live. Even Guyana's national dish is not Carribbean influence, neither African or Asian indian but from Guyana itself and its made by indigenous Indians.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AacKeRUBeag

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Old 05-05-2015, 08:53 AM
 
Location: Honolulu/DMV Area/NYC
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Don't Haitians speak creole? It's broken French. It is like the Jamaicans, they speak broken English.
Jamaicans don't speak "broken English," they speak patois/creole, though I know what you were trying to write. The same with Haitians and French. "Broken English" is very different from English infused with other languages, which is essentially what patois is.
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Old 05-06-2015, 01:21 AM
 
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Not that I'm disputing your test results, but what company did you have your DNA tested by? When I used DNA by Ancestry (a ripoff if you ask me as their sample size smaller than other companies and they don't give enough of a varied breakdown), they estimated that I was 27% white and 73% sub-saharan african. This was weird to me, even knowing that African Americans, on average, have been found to be between 15-20% European heritage due largely to the rape that took place on the slave plantations. With 27%, however, that suggested to me that I'd have a more recent European ancestor. Yet, I could not locate any before the mid-late 1800s. Distrustful, I took Ancestry.com's DNA test (I mistakenly thought that DNA by Ancestry WAS Ancestry.com's test when I first took it), and they estimate that I'm 6% European, 2% Asian, and 92% sub-saharan african (my mother doubles my European and Asian results, which, given my parents' makeup, doesn't surprise me). Given Ancestry.com's more extensive database and genealogy/DNA tools, and knowing my family history, I tend to trust Ancestry's test results much more.
Your numbers are pretty accurate concerning miscegeny for American blacks.

The ~ 22.5% European bloodlines for American blacks explains the iq difference between African blacks and American blacks, who are about +12 points smarter which is almost a full standard deviation.

If I were black, I'd be glad I had some white DNA mixed in and couldn't care less how it got there!

My brother had a test done and I was sad that we have no negroid (their term) in us. It's only maternal so there's still hope. There's got to be a reason I can dunk!
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Old 05-06-2015, 01:45 AM
 
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Your numbers are pretty accurate concerning miscegeny for American blacks.

The ~ 22.5% European bloodlines for American blacks explains the iq difference between African blacks and American blacks, who are about +12 points smarter which is almost a full standard deviation.

If I were black, I'd be glad I had some white DNA mixed in and couldn't care less how it got there!

My brother had a test done and I was sad that we have no negroid (their term) in us. It's only maternal so there's still hope. There's got to be a reason I can dunk!
American blacks do not average 22.5% European bloodline. It varies by region and is around 16-18 percent, not enough to account for nearly a full SD. Access to better healthcare, education, etc accounts for much of the difference.
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Old 05-06-2015, 02:08 AM
 
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American blacks do not average 22.5% European bloodline. It varies by region and is around 16-18 percent, not enough to account for nearly a full SD. Access to better healthcare, education, etc accounts for much of the difference.
http://mobile.nytimes.com/2014/12/25...referrer=&_r=4


I studied under Dr. Charles Murray and am considered an expert in this field. I've published multiple volumes of work. You can try to argue with me if you'd like. You won't get far, but you can try :-). I assure you, my data is correct.

Most people will accept the NYT as a competent source.
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Old 05-06-2015, 02:56 AM
 
Location: Halethorphe, MD
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http://mobile.nytimes.com/2014/12/25...referrer=&_r=4


I studied under Dr. Charles Murray and am considered an expert in this field. I've published multiple volumes of work. You can try to argue with me if you'd like. You won't get far, but you can try :-). I assure you, my data is correct.

Most people will accept the NYT as a competent source.
Thems some impressive accolades!

Anyway, interesting article. I was surprised at Hispanic Americans carrying such a high percentage of European DNA. What's your explanation for the relatively low IQ of Hispanics?

Hypothetical here... Let's say we were to take a group of people from an undeveloped country and transplant them into a developed country where they would have full access to an extensive social service system. Do you believe that would have no discernable effect on their collective IQ, even over the course of generations?
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Old 05-06-2015, 07:56 AM
 
Location: Bronx
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In my neighborhood, it's def Dominicans.
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