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Old 08-06-2014, 12:51 PM
 
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I highlighted the part of Mestizos. If you do not know what a mestizo is than there is no point in arguing with you. A mestizo is someone who is of Caucasian and Indigenous blood just like a Mulatto is someone mixed with Caucasian and African blood. You are just trying to too hard to make Latinos black and I have been all over Latin America and the only places I saw blacks in Mexico were in Veracruz and Guerrero and in the grand scheme they are only 1% of the population. I honestly did not see any blacks in Argentina or Chile so who knows where they live in those countries.
Actually, mestizo really just means mixed race of any type. In most cases mestizos are mixed with three or more races.

Most Latinos actually do have African ancestry in varying degrees.
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Old 08-11-2014, 12:32 AM
 
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No offense or disrespect intended and none (was) taken, but if that's what YOU choose to believe then by all means, go right ahead. What you stated is actually ignorant, and misconstrues the point of what I stated. I suggest that you travel more frequently or at all if you get the chance or are afforded the opportunity. Again, Afrodescendant or of African descent as terms or terminologies of reference are hardly one droppist. They just recognize and signify that one has that ancestry. Also to be an Afrodescendant or of African descent does not mean that one is black or automatically make one black. One can be all of these and still not be black or identify as black or of or as such. And thats where the problematic observations and claims of your posts lies in.

Mexico indeed does have many people of African descent and many blacks or people that identify as such. A lot of Afro Mexicans are significantly mixed with other races but they still exist and number in the several multimillions. Many also live scattered out and intermixed into the "general mainstreamed population". Most Mexicans overall are a mix of Native American, African, Asian, and European ancestry and genes.

Central American nations have plenty of blacks and Afrodescendants. I suggest you travel and read the book Blacks in Central America. Guatemala, Honduras, Nicaragua, Costa Rica, and El Salvador all have populations of people that are of African descent. They do in fact exist. Also, even Belize has many people of Afrodescent as well. That even includes people in Belize that are not from the Hispanic black Belizeans or Kriol/Creole group or the Garifuna group or British West Indian descendants in Belize. Many incoming Maya and Spanish speaking groups migrating from other nearby nations into Belize often have African ancestry in varying degrees.

Peru has very many blacks and Afro Peruvians. In fact the amount of blacks in Peru alone outnumbers the entire population of Trinidad & Tobago alone, and Trinidad is not even fully or necessarily majority black. George Zimmerman's mother has Afro Peruvian roots.

Argentina has over 2 million Afro-descendants and possibly even more. Again, just because people peddle the nonsense of erasure doesn't mean that they are few or don't exist.

Bolivia does have many blacks. Estimates range from 160,000 to 2 million.

Chile has many people of Afrodescent. The history of Afro Chileans gets quite complex due to migration and settlement patterns and territorial jurisdiction of the region that is now Chile.

You state that Colombia and Venezuela are mostly mestizo, but what do you mean or what does that exactly mean??

Mestizo just means mixed race. Most mestizos have three or more racial ancestries or lineages running in their veins and that usually includes black African ancestry in their respective mixes.

Colombia's Afro-Colombian population is more than 35% of Colombia's population. And not to mention that probably between 50% to 70% of Colombia's population overall has African ancestry in varying degrees.

More than 80% of Venezuela's population has African ancestry in varying degrees. So most people claiming the mestizo label will be mulattoes or they will be a hybrid blend of African, Native American, and European. Hugo Chavez acknowledged that he has African ancestry.

Venezuela is said to be between 10% to 20% Afro Venezuelan.

Ecuador is more than 25% Afro-Ecuadorian and independent researchers and ethnolingusts and anthropologists have confirmed this.

Uruguay is as much 25% Afro Uruguayan, and many Afrodescendants are speaking up about having their numbers counted.

Brazil is mostly white identified. Only about 6% to 10% of Brazil identifies or classifies itself or is categorized as "black". Mixed race identified individuals compete demographically and numerically with those that are identified as white in terms of census demographic numbers.

Panama is mostly mixed race. Panama is also one of the most racially and ethnically diverse places ever. According to the 2010 Census for the Republic of Panama, only 9.2% of the population was categorized as black or Afrodescendant or some form of such. Another addendum tabulation for Panama said that blacks in Panama makeup somewhere between 17% to 18% of Panama's population.

I believe that Afro-Panamanian population in Panama constitutes at least sonewhere between 25% to 40% of the Republic of Panama. That also falls in line with historical settlement patterns and demographic patterns of that nation if one looks at the historical records.

EVERY NATION AND REGION IN THE WESTERN HEMISPHERE HAS PEOPLE OF AFRICAN DESCENT AND ANCESTRY.

Hell, even USA probably has an abundant majority population of people that has African ancestry in their family trees. USA is very mixed and people have lived on many aspects and dimensions of the color line etc. I'm pretty sure most U.S. Americans regardless of race that took DNA tests or did accurate genealogy on their family tree would find some black African ancestors in their ancestral lineages.

And again, remember that having African ancestry does not automatically make one black.
Well said

This all proves how connected & intertwined various cultures are connected whether mutual, direct, indirect etc.

As some say, we are all similar, but we're also different!
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Old 08-11-2014, 11:59 AM
 
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In a way you're right. If you exert yourself enough into saying that you're one thing then society MAY actually allow you to do so. Officially everyone allows Dominicans to just identify as Hispanics, but "unofficially" you have people constantly bringing up the question of are Dominicans Black? Same thing with Puerto Ricans to an extent, though the Puerto Ricans can get more a pass because they tend to have lighter skin though features wise their African mixture can be evident as well. Hell some people ask that about all Hispanics probably because a great deal of them have a lot of different mixtures and some of them features wise do favor Blacks even if their skin tones may be light or they may have straighter or curly hair.

But yes there is the other issue of not being accepted by the Black American community, but isn't that an issue with other Blacks who are not American? I think it's pretty funny... White folks, we have our hangups but at the end of the day we stick together. The Blacks and Hispanics though they seem to be in a battle to prove who is better and the Hispanics in particular seem to strive to show how European they are to appease the "standards" set by society. It's quite funny to watch.


This is why Blacks should think twice before forming alliances with Hispanics.
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Old 08-14-2014, 12:50 AM
 
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This is why Blacks should think twice before forming alliances with Hispanics.
At this stage & point in time, it might as well be every individual human being for themselves.
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Old 08-14-2014, 07:41 AM
 
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At this stage & point in time, it might as well be every individual human being for themselves.
Exactly!
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Old 08-14-2014, 09:29 AM
 
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At this stage & point in time, it might as well be every individual human being for themselves.
This is already true. It has been for some time. Economics trumped everything else long ago, and the wealthy, much as the poor, are an increasingly diverse group.

For some reason there is a refusal (inability ?) to recognize this. For better or worse - because the fact that this is true does not necessarily mean that it is a positive tendency.
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Old 08-14-2014, 09:59 AM
 
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This is already true. It has been for some time. Economics trumped everything else long ago, and the wealthy, much as the poor, are an increasingly diverse group.

For some reason there is a refusal (inability ?) to recognize this. For better or worse - because the fact that this is true does not necessarily mean that it is a positive tendency.
I think most people recognize this, to varying degrees. When you go to the store to buy food or when you have to pay your bills you can't mention your race or ethnicity. Either you can pay or you can't, and if you can't pay you don't get the food/goods or service.
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Old 08-14-2014, 10:05 AM
 
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I think most people recognize this, to varying degrees. When you go to the store to buy food or when you have to pay your bills you can't mention your race or ethnicity. Either you can pay or you can't, and if you can't pay you don't get the food/goods or service.
You would then need to explain some of the truly ridiculous comments on several recent threads ...
Although I suppose taking them seriously or as indicative of any greater tendencies would probably be as stupid as many of the comments themselves.
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Old 08-14-2014, 10:29 AM
 
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You would then need to explain some of the truly ridiculous comments on several recent threads ...
Although I suppose taking them seriously or as indicative of any greater tendencies would probably be as stupid as many of the comments themselves.
The trolls are running wild on these forums these days. It's a simple explanation.
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Old 08-14-2014, 10:00 PM
 
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At this stage & point in time, it might as well be every individual human being for themselves.

Except that every individual human does NOT fend for themselves. Those who operate in tight cliques to defend and advocate for their COLLECTIVE interests will love for you to naively believe that.
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