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Old 12-31-2010, 06:48 PM
 
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With the ever increasing demand for housing in NYC, why don't more developers build taller and smaller apartments in the outer boroughs?

Tall (8-12 story) buildings full of small studio apartments or mixed small 1/2/3 bedrooms for rent, basic kitchen/bath energy efficient of course.


Tokyo apartment building.


Bathroom in Tokyo

This especially should be the case for low income SRO's.

A lot of old apartment buildings I visit back in NYC have large apartments, especially in the low income areas (there are exceptions). Even the apartments I grew up in were pretty big in different types of neighborhoods economically (I lived in tenements). The NYCHA public housing buildings also have huge apartments. Crazy considering they are low income housing. I am always shocked by the rowhouses/townhouses, front and backyards, parking space?! (At least build to the sidewalk, shrink it a bit, and 3 apartment minimum? Maybe mixed zoning for the corner houses.) Terrible decision to build that way in dense areas of Brooklyn and the Bronx, where the need is very high. A lot of the newer construction, affordable housing has relatively large apartments.

Thoughts?
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Old 12-31-2010, 11:51 PM
 
Location: NY,NY
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Yeah, just what we need, Japanese type housing.

NO THANKS!

Isn't it enough, Bloomberg and the more worldly liberal Transplants attempting to Europeanize NYC?

What we need are American solutions to American problems.

Btw, the Japanese live that way because their nation is so small with little developable land.

Our problem is a bit different. For example, unfettered immigration and ridiculous social laws which inhibit and discourage growth and development. Such is the cause of NYC'S overcrowding and unaffordability.

Btw, didn't you get enough of dorm rooms in college?
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Old 01-01-2011, 06:01 AM
 
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NYC and Tokyo are comparable from a population density per square mile standpoint. NYC is a highly populated island/coastal city with a housing shortage and limited land.

I think a lot of people would settle for extra small rentals especially in Manhattan, Brooklyn and eventually the Bronx. A lot of people just want a place to sleep and hold their belongings.
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Old 01-01-2011, 06:47 AM
 
Location: Beautiful Pelham Parkway,The Bronx
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I think a lot of people would settle for extra small rentals especially in Manhattan, Brooklyn and eventually the Bronx. A lot of people just want a place to sleep and hold their belongings.
Speak for yourself.One of the reasons I moved to The Bronx was because I wanted a 20 X15 LR,a 20x15 bedroom, a guest br,5 walk in closets and an eat in kitchen.I outgrew the living in a closet and sharing with others phases a long time ago.

A lot of people base their housing searches around getting the most space for a certain amount, not a certain location.
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Old 01-01-2011, 06:59 AM
 
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I certainly would consider a small apartment for cheaper rent in Manhattan for the sole reason of a significantly faster commute. It wouldn't work for families, but can certainly be do-able for singles.
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Old 01-01-2011, 08:03 AM
 
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Speak for yourself.One of the reasons I moved to The Bronx was because I wanted a 20 X15 LR,a 20x15 bedroom, a guest br,5 walk in closets and an eat in kitchen.I outgrew the living in a closet and sharing with others phases a long time ago.

A lot of people base their housing searches around getting the most space for a certain amount, not a certain location.
I am speaking for myself, however plenty of NYCers prefure location over size. Not everyone needs a huge apartment and tons of bedrooms.

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I certainly would consider a small apartment for cheaper rent in Manhattan for the sole reason of a significantly faster commute. It wouldn't work for families, but can certainly be do-able for singles.
It would be very hard for families to operate out of a studio as it is now, but a reduction in square footage in multi bedrooms may not be so bad. Most people havremore room than they need anyway and fill it with clutter.

I have similar concerns to you, location over size.
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Old 01-01-2011, 08:04 AM
 
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my idea is to take a what is called a sleeping tube set up and make a small apt out of the unit..what do you need most a place to sleep and place to take a shower and go to the bathroom and place to fix yourself a meal or two and a small what they call a sleeping tube room with a bult in small kitchentte and a bathroom would work great for a single person ..

here is a idea of what iam talking about and put all three togerther to make a mirco sized apt for the single person to live in in the price range of $500 a month with everything included in the rent but cable tv and internet the person renting it would have to get that themselfs .. ..
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Old 01-01-2011, 08:12 AM
 
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With the ever increasing demand for housing in NYC, why don't more developers build taller and smaller apartments in the outer boroughs?

Thoughts?
Once again this OP has shown a distinct lack of facts and/or knowledge about what he pontificates about.
New York City Real Estate News: Vacancy Rate Rises in Manhattan - WSJ.com
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Manhattan's rental-market recovery is slowing to a halt.
The Manhattan vacancy rate climbed to 1.29% in November, the fourth consecutive month the vacancy rate increased since it bottomed out in July, according to a monthly report by real-estate brokerage firm Citi Habitats.
Record apartment vacancy rate predicted for next year | The Real Deal | New York Real Estate News
Describes an ever rising vacancy rate in NYC

Apartment Vacancy Rates & Apartment Rent Rates: New York City & Long Island : MultifamilyInvestor – off market apartment buildings for sale – multifamily apartment building blog (http://www.multifamilyinvestor.com/apartment-vacancy-rates-apartment-rent-rates-new-york-city-long-island/ - broken link)
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In the first half of 2009, however, the vacancy rate topped 3%, a very unusual and foreboding sign.
The Slow Rise of Manhattan's Apartment Vacancy Rate | The New York Observer
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NYC and Tokyo are comparable from a population density per square mile standpoint
Population densities
City Mayors: Largest cities in the world by population density (1 to 125)

New York City 2,050 density (people per sqKm)
Tokyo/Yokohama 4,750 density (people per sqKm)
Not even close.


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Old 01-01-2011, 08:17 AM
 
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Furthermore the idea that you could sell to Americans the idea of squatting on a plastic stool Japanese style and rinsing off before getting into a ceder bathtub is absurd.
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Old 01-01-2011, 08:45 AM
 
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I am speaking for myself, however plenty of NYCers prefure location over size. Not everyone needs a huge apartment and tons of bedrooms.........
And what about the NY'ers who don't care about being as close to Manhattan as possible ? More than 1/2 of the people in the "outer boroughs" don't commute to Manhattan.
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