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Old 04-27-2011, 09:28 AM
 
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Mistertee....none of that surprises me. However you would be surprised to know that it happens everywhere....Wynona Ryder, Lindsey Lohan etc....the wealthiest people, to the poorest...everywhere you go. People oftentimes simply suck.

 
Old 04-27-2011, 03:08 PM
 
Location: Clinton Hill, Brooklyn
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BKVillian...we know over the past 15 years the crime trends, they go up oftentimes in summer and holidays, but overall the trend is decidedly downward. So although crime may, as usual, go up in summer, it does not matter, because the larger trend, and the trend for the entire year, is clearly down.

So what's your point?
Its like this, you guys are goin by stastics, i'm goin by the streets, and most of those stastics are coming from NYPDs, which we all know lie to me there quote. So when you say crime is going down its hard for me to believe. If you aren't on the streets like i am, then you can't say nothing. For example on Flatbush ave and 35th they tried to "gentrifie" the area, but adding a Target, foot locker and a few other stores. Its been a year now, and the foot locker closes by night fall due to the many robberies, the target is doin poorly due to the same fate as the foot locker people just rob the place, even heard rumor's that the target is either moving its location or closing.
 
Old 04-27-2011, 03:22 PM
 
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Well herein lies the problem: Everyone has a different, and subjective view of what is happening "in the streets." For example, if you ask a poor teenage black kid living in the projects, who is always around drug dealers and the negative element, what he thinks about crime? He will no doubt say it is a war zone and it is worse than it has ever been. You will die if you go outside.

Now if you ask a wealthier person in Riverdale about crime, they will say the city has never been safer, life is good, and there is little to worry about. So what's the answer? Well there is no right answer, as everyone has a different perspective, which is why we can't just go by "my opinion based on the streets"...it's ALWAYS skewed one way or another. And although we know crime stats are fudged, it is the only thing we have.

I think people's opinions and feelings matter, but they are too often skewed and just wrong. If you want to hang out with the homeys/drug dealers/thugs....guess what your opinion will be about crime in NYC? Is that an accurate assessment of crime for the average NYer? No...and that's the bottom line.

You tend to speak of "I heard this and that" with no actual facts...just rumors...and if that's how you are assessing crime in NYC...it explains why you believe it is much worse than it actually is.
 
Old 04-27-2011, 04:41 PM
 
Location: Ridgewood, NY
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@ sobroguy I definitely agree to that post... but at the same time, it works both ways... Our opinion is just as credible as the next guy's and unfortunate @ bkvillian all we have are the stats that the NYPD gives us. And while I do agree with you that those stats can't be trusted blindly, trust me when I tell you that being 18 circa 2011 is much better than being 18 circa anywhere between 1975-1995...

It's definitely true that NYC has a long way to go and there are still many hot spots especially the perennial bad neighborhoods like East NY, Brownsville and certain parts of the Bronx which I do feel can contend with any of the worst hoods in the country if it were simply those specific neighborhoods... that being said, Manhattan is paradise compared to what it was... Back then, there were no legit nice working to middle class neighborhoods... they all had their fair share of crime...

Nowadays, while crime still continues to happen in the hood at a much higher than normal pace, the rest of the city is generally safe to walk the streets at all times and that is something that could not be said 20 years ago...
 
Old 04-27-2011, 05:00 PM
 
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Well said Anon.
 
Old 04-27-2011, 10:48 PM
 
Location: Bronx
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Mott haven is back in the news again as it has been on a week to week basis. The victim in the video fought back against his assailants instead of being killed like most victims these days.

Attempted robbery and stabbing caught on camera in Mott Haven | 7online.com
 
Old 04-28-2011, 08:19 AM
 
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ehh....the usual thugs doing what they do. They will be caught. The laundromat around the corner from me was robbed 2 months ago (the first time since they opened over 10 years ago). The guy was hit on the head, but he's fine. He now sits behind the glass. The thugs were caught in a few days and are in jail..and the guys is back at work. He agrees it was an aberration, and dismisses the whole thing.
 
Old 04-28-2011, 09:09 AM
 
Location: Crown Heights, Brooklyn
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@ sobroguy I definitely agree to that post... but at the same time, it works both ways... Our opinion is just as credible as the next guy's and unfortunate @ bkvillian all we have are the stats that the NYPD gives us. And while I do agree with you that those stats can't be trusted blindly, trust me when I tell you that being 18 circa 2011 is much better than being 18 circa anywhere between 1975-1995...

It's definitely true that NYC has a long way to go and there are still many hot spots especially the perennial bad neighborhoods like East NY, Brownsville and certain parts of the Bronx which I do feel can contend with any of the worst hoods in the country if it were simply those specific neighborhoods... that being said, Manhattan is paradise compared to what it was... Back then, there were no legit nice working to middle class neighborhoods... they all had their fair share of crime...

Nowadays, while crime still continues to happen in the hood at a much higher than normal pace, the rest of the city is generally safe to walk the streets at all times and that is something that could not be said 20 years ago...
I can fully agree to this
 
Old 04-28-2011, 11:16 AM
 
Location: Ridgewood, NY
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At sobroguy I don't want you to get me wrong with my sometimes negative view of the city because like you I do agree it has gotten much better... What I don't understand from you though, is why you feel the need to kinda cover up all the flaws of NYC like you have such a vested interest in this city...

Here we are talking about crime on a crime thread, and yet you continue to disreguard it or trivialize it every single time someone posts another crime... can we get another point of view at all from you aside from "don't be black and hang out with the homeys in the bodega at 2am or 3am... (you rotate these every comment)...

I mean even in last year's thread you did not say this so many times... Again just going by what I read, it seems as if you were much more objective last year than this year... you would actually want to discuss the major crimes that were taking place or the white collar crimes that were happening and not simply disreguard them, but that has completely changed this year...

Can we get back to last year and actually open up a real conversation about these crimes and not just shoot them down by saying "oh it was nothing and the person who had the crime committed on him has already dismissed the whole situation as an aberration..."
 
Old 04-28-2011, 11:40 AM
 
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So what this thread has deteriorated to is a couple of guys on their warm, safe seats patting each other for how it is "not so bad" out there on those streets they rarely, if ever go to.
And I'm sure this certain person if he gets thrown into the pavement and gets his wallet stolen will quickly point out it was an aberration as well.
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