2011 Official NYC Crime Thread (Bedford, Eden: coop, public school, health)
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I never understand why people try to compare the white flight of the 50s & 60s to the gentrification of the last decade. There's no correlation: the white flight was made by choice, nobody forced them to move out of their neighborhoods. If the citizens of those days were not so scared of the blacks & browns coming in their neighborhoods, it probably would not have suffered the redlining & abandonment that many hoods did. The gentrification of today is not by choice: the traditional low/lower middle class have to move out of their neighborhood because of rising rents and as anon1 pointed out, there is definitely some bitterness when all of the benefits are being given to new middle class when the oldtimers have asked for new amenities for years.
Apparently on Gothamist, another homicide occurred in LES (a man was killed last week) which makes me definitely keep an eye in that neighborhood since there was a story about an increase of robberies in that neighborhood also. There are also shootings & stabbings reported in the South BX and Williamsburg (which had another shooting days ago, actually there is no doubt Wburg is more active this year), we haven't even reach nightime yet.
There still very high crime in other Black neighborhoods across the country and no whites have been gentrifying or replacing anyone in these places. Camden, Trenton, Detroit, very Black Areas of New Orleans, Philadelphia, Baltimore, etc, you get the point? So are these Black criminals also blaming whitey for their high crime??
There is a poor black culture with high crime unfortunately. Nothing new. Bunch of Black youth, with no male role models (except for the rapper or sport player), too many single mothers, fathers in prison or abandoning their fatherhood, etc. It is a viscous circle, that I hope one day fixes itself.
Lol not even Obama cant save them or be role models for them being the first black president in Americas history. Sadly enough under Obama things got pretty worse for much black Americans.
I never understand why people try to compare the white flight of the 50s & 60s to the gentrification of the last decade. There's no correlation: the white flight was made by choice, nobody forced them to move out of their neighborhoods. If the citizens of those days were not so scared of the blacks & browns coming in their neighborhoods, it probably would not have suffered the redlining & abandonment that many hoods did. The gentrification of today is not by choice: the traditional low/lower middle class have to move out of their neighborhood because of rising rents and as anon1 pointed out, there is definitely some bitterness when all of the benefits are being given to new middle class when the oldtimers have asked for new amenities for years.
Exactly. Funny how people chose to ignore this fact.
Coney Island is never going to gentrify in our lifetimes. The subway ride out there is looooong and there's virtually no amenites nor nice architecture. Not to mention the massive NYCHA prescence. Ditto for Soundview/Castle Hill and much of the South Bronx really. Too far from the action. I could see immigrants establishing a middle class prescence there thou.
I actually see potential for Coney Island. It is right near a major transit hub (4 subway lines going to different parts of Brooklyn), and if the super-express on the (N) were restored, that would make it an easy commute to Manhattan.
As for as Mott Haven's count I will say somewhere around 28... It has 12 murders on the year so far where at this point last year it had 4 or 5. It ended up having 14 murders on the year because as has been the case time and time again, things get hotter in the summertime...
And at sobroguy while I do agree with you on the point where now it is much easier to avoid problems than in the early 90s, I disagree with your complete disregard for crime in your neighborhood as drugs and crazy people being crazy people... A good number of these crimes haven't happened at 3am at the bodega but at 8pm or 9pm when a good number of people are still out and about and it does affect them because they are walking to their homes, laundrymats, groceries, shops, etc. This is a problem that while it isn't what it used to be has increased over the past 2 years and we are seeing the results of these issues within the numbers of certain neighborhoods... You mentioned that these increases are only within a small number of precincts but if you noticed the areas that he mentioned that are experiencing gentrification and increases in crime (Bushwick, parts of Harlem, Mott Haven) he's right...
Do I agree with everything he said? No... But I could see where he and alot of other folk living in the hood can feel that way... Nothing was touched for years when they were struggling in poverty... no development, no fixing the schools, no contributing other than locals who moved on up and gave back to their community but as soon as a few white people come in, all there needs are immediately attended to... come on now, you have to be blind to ignore that fact... Do you think that if a couple of black people were to move in a white neighborhood that they would be able to open up shops all over the place even though the demographics will still without question favor the white majority?? I'll let you think about that one for a minute... I live right on the border of Bushwick and as soon as a new house or shop goes out of business 90% of the time it becomes targeted for the new group of people... this despite the fact that if you look at the numbers and the people moving in, the majority is still blacks and hispanics while those that are leaving as soon as thier lease is done are the white folks that bought into this area along with some black folks as well that are selling to the new market... So explain to me how is it that an area that is overwhelmingly black and hispanic and is now experiencing the same influx of people that were coming for years with a few random white transplants equate to 90% of the new places being opened are cafes, art spots, thai foods, and organic chains which cater mainly to the 5-7% of the population...
eastchester may not be right on all his points but I do agree with him on some aspects, this definitely being one of them... and i think that the increase in gunplay attests to that... you can't tell me that the ignorant mentality of "pride for your hood" and "scaring the white folks out" doesn't come into play with any of their kids shooting out there...
Thinking for opening up your mind. And i dont want everyone to agree with what i have to say, but as long as they understand what i'm trying to fight for.
yea... how mekitor used a completely irrelevant comment to disregard my own I won't even address besides noting that most of his arguments follow his same illogical pattern...
As for me, I'm sticking with my opinions which seem to be holding weight so far these last two years... but who knows, I guess I'm reading and observing things wrong... those people that came to rob the hipsters on the mckibbin lofts clearly confused them for other people in the neighborhood... they blend so well... my mistake...
Also, all the talk about the prices being ridiculously unaffordable which is why people are selling or moving out of their apartments either down south or to other poorer areas in the city among the locals which gets reported in newspapers, websites, rallies is just my imagination...
^ I don't think Mekitor or anyone else point is irrelevant. I think they have a point. Bushwick or any other poor neighborhood will still have a high crime problem even if hipsters or gentrification wasn't occurring. Look at East New York or Brownsville or some neighborhoods in the Bronx. I don't see any White people moving there upsetting the locals there. Also these neighborhoods have high assaults, robberies and killings. They always do for decades. Maybe less now than the 70's, the 80's or 90's. No need to be an alarmist. And they are not attacking any hipsters. They are robbing the local people like they always had. A criminal will assault or rob anybody, no matter how they look. Money does not have a color. For you to think that the high crime is correlating with whites moving in is irrelevant.
I agree with that cyrus...the higher crime is almost exclusively black on black, and whites are rarely the victim of anything except paying high rents, even in higher crime communities. Sorry dude..but hustlers are always looking for easy victims of any color.
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