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If you cant afford the good or even decent areas of NY then dont move there. Im trying to understand the psychology of people. Im a young, co-ed Black male who grew up street smart(paranoid) in South central LA and not even I would think of moving to harlem without research. Who moves to a different city without visiting anyway?
That one white GIRL is lucky that something truely tragic did not happen to her. That was a very foolish thing she did moving to a black, violent, poor ghetto without even fitting in to the demographics.
All the obnoxious liberals who want to blame poverty for crime can kick rocks. People from the ghetto know better, a lot of people lack morals and manners and that is what causes crime.
I lived in Spanish Harlem just fine. Black male, Ivy League, not street, and did not grow up in the ghetto. Overall it was fine. I lived on 100 and Lexington. That area had a lot of whites there and spillover from the Upper East Side.
Some parts of Harlem and Spanish Harlem are nice these days. There are still ghetto parts, but it depends on where you go.
But having lived many years in NYC, I remember when some of the hottest parts of Manhattan like Hells Kitchen, Chelsea, and the Lower East Side where SLUMS. And look at them now.
As for Harlem, Columbia University is in Harlem (they call it Morningside Heights, but whatever). A person might be a STUDENT who wants to live comparatively close to campus in a place they can afford (or on campus for that matter).
Similarly, I know people who came to Brooklyn and settled in Clinton Hill or Bedstuy because they go to Pratt. Those Brooklyn neighborhoods were a lot rougher 15 years ago.
NYU's in the Village, and I recall when both the East and West Village where much worse.
It sounds like you don't know anything about NYC and are just going by what rumors you've heard. You've heard Harlem is this really rough place, so no one should move there (despite the fact one of the world's top universities is there, Columbia). Um, whatever.
Usually the phrase is "Best thing my mom ever did was move us out of Alabama". But in your case, it sounds like an exception.
In those days large numbers of working class Blacks fled Black neighborhoods and returned to the South. It was better than staying in certain big cities, getting shot and/or going to jail.
Ask longtime residents who get pushed out of their neighborhood if gentrification is a myth...
You did not quote wholly; "Gentrification is a loaded term- and is in reality a myth. Its only in a few hip cities where it is and will be taking place".
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Originally Posted by SeventhFloor
One of the best quotes I've ever heard on this forum - even though I disagree with it.
Park Slope used to be a cesspool, but now you can see yourself in that water...
Maybe its a bit much- Im just a skeptic in nature. I dont have much confidence in people from the hood(im from the hood) Maybe its familiarity breeding contempt. Harlem can get better but the people would have to be removed and a different demographic move in. It does not matter where people live because they take the ghetto culture with them. That is exemplified by "Moreno Vally" in Ca- It went from a beautiful suburb to a crime plagued ghetto in 10 years- It was an affordable alternative to housing in So. Cal. and now its basically compton in a suburb. Its just a factual observation.
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Ive put quite a few people in harlem already who "dont fit in", and im not the only agent. It is slowly changing, some stay cause of the prices, some leave cause they cant handle an area that doesnt have yoga studios and cafes every 10inches. Some go back to parents, some get new roomates, some renew leases. Just like life everything isnt foreveryone but you can sure try.
Mario People have different tolerance when it comes to danger. When I hear men catcalling I don't care, while my firend would get a heart attack. Depends what threats you feel more exposed to...
Are you saying that for a young family 112th and St.Nick is not good bc of project kids? What you say makes sense cause I doubt drug lords would care to rob you for your $50 when they have a million $ business put on the line if police gets called. On the other hand, there's their clientele + drug wars...
What's PR and AA?
I was thinking the crime rate in the 28th precint is high because of the northern part of it, and also the project. Am I in denial?
Ive put quite a few people in harlem already who "dont fit in", and im not the only agent. It is slowly changing, some stay cause of the prices, some leave cause they cant handle an area that doesnt have yoga studios and cafes every 10inches.
Or maybe they get tired of unsupervised adolescents on the streets at all hours wrecking havoc, hanging out on stoops, cars, anywhere at all, litter everywhere, and the general dearth of decent amenities (of ANY sort, basically) of which your characterization makes quite little.
Did I mention the litter, EVERYWHERE.
Bowery cleaned up, at this point I am not sure whether Harlem ever really will.
A good rule of thumb when looking for a halfway decent neighborhood. If the White + Asian Population is less than 30% Stay the hell away
Lol yep thats just about true everywhere.
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