where in Bedford Park did this happen? (Collins, Livingston: violent crime, home) - City-Data Forum

rlrl · 03-04-2011, 02:53 PM

I was just reading about an awful botched home invasion where a Greek immigrant George Orfanos was killed by a man named Israel Feliciano in 1992.The vic tim was a pizza store manager in Bedford park and lived there as well. With all the posts on Bedford park within the past few years, I am curious did this happen in Bedford Park or in Fordham Bedford? If I had to guess, it around the E 194th street area

any memories?

rlrl · 03-04-2011, 02:57 PM

where it happened. It was not around Fordham it was at 2905 Grand Concourse. where exactly is that? right at 200th? that's absolutely awful.

any ideas?

bluedog2 · 03-04-2011, 03:15 PM

I'm glad they finally got the guy ( Feliciano). The wonders of DNA.They nailed him 18 years after the crime.

rlrl · 03-04-2011, 03:19 PM

they said the perps thought he had $30,000 on him and when they didn't get it they shot him

how did the perps come to this conclusion?

did they know him? if they didn't, i'm thinking that this section of Bedford Park, what we consider on the boards to be one of the nicer blocks, in some way was no better than anywhere else

supposedly the area was better in 1992, tho i guess it is also getting better in a way now?

bluedog2 · 03-04-2011, 03:24 PM

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Originally Posted by rlrl

they said the perps thought he had $30,000 on him and when they didn't get it they shot him

how did the perps come to this conclusion?

did they know him? if they didn't, i'm thinking that this section of Bedford Park, what we consider on the boards to be one of the nicer blocks, in some way was no better than anywhere else

supposedly the area was better in 1992, tho i guess it is also getting better in a way now?

I don't think the murder of a store owner almost 2O years ago says anything about the neighborhood then or now.Nor can it be used to compare then and now.There are few neighborhoods in NYC where there haven't been murders of this type.
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rlrl · 03-04-2011, 03:29 PM

in a GAP Store on B'way and 57th street

in N Riverdale i remember a man was kidnapped in the driveway of his house, stuffed in the trunk of a car and taken to Sunset park in Brooklyn and then let out

that's scary enough but a home invasion is even more creepy...

it just is eerie and creepy why they thought he'd have that amount of $$$ on him

bluedog2 · 03-04-2011, 03:36 PM

It seems likely that they knew something.
Either he was in the habit of taking large sums of cash home from the pizza shop and someone set him up or he was running a bookie operation in the shop and someone set him up.
I highly doubt it was a random home invasion if the cop's mentioned $30,000.
Most home invasion robberies you hear about in the city today are the same type of thing.It's usually because they know someone is dealing and keeps large amounts of cash around. Word gets out.
Maybe the victim was dealing...another possibility.

rlrl · 03-04-2011, 03:38 PM

it's the idea of a random home invasion that is the most scary

SuperMario · 03-04-2011, 03:39 PM

Remember now, back in the crack days, the lower 2 neighborhoods of the 52nd precinct, University Heights and Fordham Bedford, accounted for almost all of the violent crime. Here are portions of an article from 1990:

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The murders happening so close together was a coincidence," said Capt. Maurice Collins. "There really isn't violent crime up there to speak of."
Through September, 21 people have been slain in the 52d Precinct, which includes the Norwood, Bedford Park, Fordham and University Heights sections of the Bronx. All the killings but the two in Norwood were drug related, said Officer Jim Livingston, a crime prevention officer. Mary Beal, who the police believe was killed by someone she knew, is counted as a homicide in the 84th Precinct in Brooklyn, where she was found.
Last year, 28 people were killed in the precinct through September, none in Norwood. But the police believe the recent slayings are not part of a trend.

http://select.nytimes.com/gst/abstra...1&pagewanted=1

Basically violent crime wasn't an issue up there. So I'm assuming the location just happened to be targeted by thugs from the crime ridden parts of the precinct, who knew that those better off areas have more to offer. The biggest crime in Norwood was property crime, due to it being targeted as a well-off area.

So I would say the location was probably better back in 1990, but do to the hectic nature of the neighborhoods close by it was probably more dangerous aswell. Those northern 52nd precinct area experienced white flight in the 90's and are not as "good" as they were back 20 years ago.

rlrl · 03-04-2011, 03:46 PM

what i do remember from 1990 was the Brian Watkins slaying on 9/2/90 at another unlikely place for a violent mugging(or so i thought) at 7th Avenue and W 53 street in the theater area. a gang of youths wanted some $$$ to go Roseland so they tried to rob a family from Utah in the subway and ended up stabbing Watkins