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Old 03-09-2011, 03:32 PM
 
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Here is a video of him talking about planning some projects in NYC. This footage is from the 1950s.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FqiwKDblFUE
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Old 03-09-2011, 03:47 PM
 
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You mean the jerk that favored automobiles over mass transit, and even people?. If you are asking that I think he one big jerk. He's like a giant prick taller then the Empire State Building. I think he liked pushing people around in the name of progress.
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Old 03-09-2011, 03:48 PM
 
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You mean the jerk that favored automobiles over mass transit, and even people?. If you are asking that I think he one big jerk. He's like a giant prick taller then the Empire State Building. I think he liked pushing people around in the name of progress.

Wasn't he a racist too?
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Old 03-09-2011, 04:04 PM
 
Location: Beautiful Pelham Parkway,The Bronx
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There was a thread about Moses less than a year ago. He has a mixed legacy.He did some good and interesting things in his early years but became rather destructive in his later years:
Questions or opinions on Robert Moses
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Old 03-09-2011, 04:05 PM
 
Location: No Sleep Til Brooklyn
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Saw a doc about him on PBS a few years back - it was eye-opening and made me sad. What a neighborhood killer.
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Old 03-09-2011, 04:47 PM
 
Location: Helsinki, Finland
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Robert Moses is propably best known for creating the infamous Cross Bronx Expy which destroyed in particular the neighborhood of East Tremont and West Farms in South Bronx. From there the blight spread like a wildfire southwards.

The Bronx River Pkwy is today one of the intersections where drivers experience the worst congestion.
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Old 03-09-2011, 07:42 PM
 
Location: Upper East Side, NYC
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I watched a documentary about him a while back. He wanted to cover the city with expressways.
Here are some fake Google Maps showing what he wanted to do in Manhattan:

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3597/...930860ab_b.jpg

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3651/...7110b18b_b.jpg

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Old 03-09-2011, 09:05 PM
 
Location: Brooklyn New York
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He was an evil man, did not care about people or neighborhoods, just expressways.

Why do you think a lot of our neighborhoods have been ruined because of the ill planning of the roadways we have today.
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Old 03-10-2011, 12:07 AM
 
Location: Bronx
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Robert moses is one of the most controversial figures in the history of nyc and its public works. Moses did as much good as he did bad but the bad out weighs the good. He built parks, highways bridges and tunnels allowing new england, nj and long island to connect with one another via nyc region. He built beaches, zoo and aquiriums. He was never elected moses was appointed and served on various boards of different authorities. He controlled the city via his tolls of the triboro bridge and tunnel authority. He prepared nyc for the future of mass automobile traffic. In his wake moses destroyed east tremont with the cbe and destroyed red hook sunset park with the bqe. He was also a segragationistd, he created ghettos for the blacks and the poor. He did not want blacks to utilize pools and beaches. Because of robert moses brooklyn lost its beloved baseball team because of the fallout between moses and dodgers owner. So far nykers fought against urban renewal and now at the other end of the spectrum locals are going against gentrification. I wonder what jane jacobs would have said about her beloved les gentrifying?
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Old 03-10-2011, 03:10 AM
 
Location: New York
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Default Robert Moses and ethnic cleansing

Robert Moses was the tool of the cultural elite. His plan achieved two ends; establish the automobile as the primary form of transportation and carve the ethnics out of their urban enclaves to be Americanized in far flung suburbs.

After WWII the cultural elites had a demographic issue in the rust belt; from Boston to New York to Phila. to Pittsburgh to Chicago and all points in-between the cities were majority ethnic Catholic. Not only were they majority Catholic but due to the Protestant acceptance of contraception the Catholics had a differential birth rate advantage which meant that this would eventually become a Catholic country with a Catholic majority. While it may be hard to imagine now -the sexual revolution did much to diminish religion-but these Catholics had a very separate identity then and were not considered "white". The Poles, the Italians, the Slavs and even the Irish stayed in their ethnic enclaves, spoke their languages at home, cooked differently, prayed differently and each had their own little world in the city.

Fresh off the victory in WWII those in psychological ops began to master the arts of social engineering. With this new technology available social engineering was now available to cleanse these ethnics of their long held attachment to their own culture, their own religion and their closely held urban neighborhoods.

With a two pronged approach; first the carrot of a cheap mortgage on the suburbs and the stick of federally funded housing project ushering in southern sharecroppers by thousands into their neighborhood. In just a few decades the ruling elite were able to clear out the rust belt of ethnics.

How Robert Moses fit into this was that he made sure the plan was enacted and all stones in the way of the ethnic cleansing were cleared out of the way. The whole plan was very successful and here we are 50 years later and few understand how the whole operation was hatched, enacted and carried to its ends. This ignorance of the truth speaks to just how successful the program was.

Moses provided a highway out of the city for the ethnics to the suburbs which brought a new identity to people who were own jailed during WWII as enemies. Even Joe Damaggio's parents were detained during WWII as "enemy aliens". The auto industry made a handy profit on the whole operation as it ensured that every family that once traveled cheaply (5 cents)on street cars and subways now had to shell out for a new Ford or Chevy.

Robert Moses is a big reason why New York had a huge turnover of residents. The consequences were places like Bushwick burning and crime shooting through the roof. The ethnics embrace their new identity as "white". Further consequences were that we ended up in oil war after oil war to keep the whole social engineering experienced fully powered with tankers of petrol to keep those ethnics out in the suburbs commuting large distances to jobs instead of living close by.
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