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Just look at it from this point of view. Most of the jobs being created in NYC are in retail, restaurants, hotel, education and healthcare. These are therefore low income to lower middle income jobs.
Increasingly housing options are being limited to the rich, or the super upper middle class.
Why is it then a shock when most NYers, (don't let hilltopjay make you think that its only the dysfunctional impoverished who have a problem) identify affordable housing as an issue. As we speak "affordable" housing is now being set aside for families with $100k household income...hardly poor!
We have an issue where not only are the poor and the lower middle class being gentrified out, but even the first wave of gentrifiers. Increasingly its not about now wanting to move. Its about a fear of not finding any where to live!
And remember what I told you about where the jobs in NYC are being created, in case you think that these people can just leave. If they do who is going to fill all those positions?
Finally! I thought I was the only person who saw this.
Just look at it from this point of view. Most of the jobs being created in NYC are in retail, restaurants, hotel, education and healthcare. These are therefore low income to lower middle income jobs.
These workers also benefit from NYC wages, I'm in Hospitality and I'm essentially doubling my pay by moving up there. And if there were a shortage of people wanting to work these jobs because of a lack of "affordable" housing within commuting range, I'm sure wages would eventually increase to draw people back to those jobs.
if you force a whole class segment from a certain area,
they're just going to move to the next area they can
afford. they still have to live, you know?
if you force a whole class segment from a certain area,
they're just going to move to the next area they can
afford. they still have to live, you know?
Of course. Or if staying in that certain area is important to them, they can fight to stay there, using whatever tools they must.
So Garfield NJ isn't poor and doesn't have thugs roaming the street like areas of the Bronx and Brooklyn. So I stand by my earlier statement of displacing these thugs elsewhere where they wont effect the quality of life of NYers
How do you displace thugs only is my question to you? Indeed gentrification usually displaces the WORKING poor, who arent as adept at knowing how to suck gov't program.
Harlem and Fort Greene remain packed with the thug element. Its the WORKING poor and lower middle class who are often displaced as they arent Section 8 people.
These workers also benefit from NYC wages, I'm in Hospitality and I'm essentially doubling my pay by moving up there. And if there were a shortage of people wanting to work these jobs because of a lack of "affordable" housing within commuting range, I'm sure wages would eventually increase to draw people back to those jobs.
I think among African American and immigrant populations there was a lack of political and economic awareness/participation and now people will pay for this dearly if they don't do something. .
This is indeed quite true. Some one asked why gentrifiers can move into a neighborhood and change things, my response was because they ensure that they get on the community board, and hold local politicians accountable.
How many people in home owning areas like Baychester, Rosedale and Canarsie even know who their city council rep is, much less who is on the local board. I say this to say that even our HOME OWNERS are apathetic, and they dont have the ability to quickly move as does a renter. They typically must sell their home first, and that doesnt happen over night.
So they must have a stake in their community beyond being concerned about whether the garbage is collected, or the streets cleaned of snow. They need to know whether the 4 foreclosures on the block will be boaught by an investor, who will either let the building fall apart, or will pack it with Section 8 tenants until he can flip it. Both having definite influence on their home values, and their ability to sell if FL, or NC call them.
The problem is that many are looking for a Messiah (too much church, but thats another topic), and now they think that de Blasio is one. De Blasio is just another two bit politician who is quite vindictive, and is on the pockets of the trade unions. Melissa Mark_Veverito is Miss Fidel Castro, and is even worse.
Preparing for gentrification is something that these people will have to deal with in some form or another.
They'll either have to go out for better paying jobs, move out, or alternatively do some form of tenant organizing.
All of these things are happening. Young people are getting educations and moving on, or able to stay and organize. The same with people that are working, they are either staying and organizing or moving on. Seniors can stay if they are getting subsidy, or they move on. People are not just sitting around, only those with subsidized housing of some form are doing that.
These workers also benefit from NYC wages, I'm in Hospitality and I'm essentially doubling my pay by moving up there. And if there were a shortage of people wanting to work these jobs because of a lack of "affordable" housing within commuting range, I'm sure wages would eventually increase to draw people back to those jobs.
You might find that your pay mightnt allow you to live where you want to. NYC is a big area and is not conducive to driving as FL is. Look out for some long lonely commutes home, to where ever it is you will be able to live, or live in some cupboard in Manhattan.
Even if you can afford it, if none of the rank and file workers can live in a decent commute, you may increasingly find difficulties in finding suitable employees.
And no. Wages arent increasing for the low paid employees. Their "NYC" wages dont allow "NYC" rents. Many live crammed with their families. The kid "leaving home" is becoming nostalgic, unless they leave NYC, which many are now having to do, many headed to southern states like VA (not in the DC area either). People earning $20,000 (pre tax and deductions) cant afford to pay 60% of that in rent.
And I am using Bronx rents, which are the cheapest.
For some one who doesnt live in NYC you seem to have lots of opinions.
I sense a lot of under the current racism here. All of you guys who support gentrification probably can't stand the idea of black guys in your neighborhood. Gentrification harms people of all races. So many white ethnic neighborhoods have been ravaged by developers.
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