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Old 07-06-2011, 07:55 AM
 
Location: Maryland
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And what about the people that fall between the gentrifiers and the poor? Where will they live? My issue with gentrification has nothing to do with race. It's about the loss of affordable housing for working, middle-class families.
The middle class will have homes probably more options once the market is allowed to push out the poor people to the fringes of the metropolis.
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Old 07-06-2011, 08:49 AM
 
Location: Bronx NY
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If you control your community you don't have to worry about outsiders coming in and changing the infrastructure. I have family in union city new jersey and it's beautiful. Probably 99% latino and they let you know right away it's going to stay that way. I have seen signs in a few stores that read "SPANISH SPOKEN HERE". The stores sell spanish foods and products. No $16 cheese and $8 loaves of bread. There areas of the bronx that are the same and my block is.
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Old 07-06-2011, 08:53 AM
 
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I wonder what you would say about all white communities doing the same thing, and "letting you know right away it's going to stay that way." No problem with that el77 when they don't want you there and make sure you know you don't belong and should go away?

Your hypocritical statements, along with similar ones from other people of color, remind me that people of color are worse than the whites they oftentimes criticize so much and call racist. Of all the people that should know better than to say these things, and purposely exclude people from "their" neighborhoods is US...yet the ignorance runs rampant.
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Old 07-06-2011, 09:05 AM
 
Location: Bronx NY
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I wonder what you would say about all white communities doing the same thing, and "letting you know right away it's going to stay that way." No problem with that el77 when they don't want you there and make sure you know you don't belong and should go away?

Your hypocritical statements, along with similar ones from other people of color, remind me that people of color are worse than the whites they oftentimes criticize so much and call racist. Of all the people that should know better than to say these things, and purposely exclude people from "their" neighborhoods is US...yet the ignorance runs rampant.
I don't consider it racist at all. I dated an Italian girl who lived in brooklyn and her father was an old school brooklyn italian guy. He described it best as ny'ers respecting eachothers boundaries. He despised the transplants and gentrifiers. I think you're wrong to assume that people of color are the only ones who have strong feelings about this. There are areas in manhattan for these types. But when they come into family neighborhoods things will change. The stores,the rents etc.
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Old 07-06-2011, 09:13 AM
 
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You are welcome to despise transplants and hipsters, and I am sure in your mind you have great reasons to "keep them out"....but it's no different than the great reasons to keep black and hispanic people out of white neighborhoods.

If it is ok to keep people that you designate out of your neighborhood, it is ok for people to keep YOU and your kind out of their neighborhoods...see how that works? And for the record, if you are taking your life lessons from an "old school brooklyn italian guy"..you probably need a new mentor. He's the same guy not too long ago that would have busted your face for walking into "his" neighborhood where you didn't belong.
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Old 07-06-2011, 09:20 AM
 
Location: Bed-stuy/Clinton Hill
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Your hypocritical statements, along with similar ones from other people of color, remind me that people of color are worse than the whites they oftentimes criticize so much and call racist. Of all the people that should know better than to say these things, and purposely exclude people from "their" neighborhoods is US...yet the ignorance runs rampant.
For me its not about race, as I stated earlier, its about affordability. In fact I don't even blame the hipsters, most of the ones I encountered would actually prefer that the current population in their neighborhoods could stay because they moved there for whatever ethnic flavor that neighborhood has. I really get mad at the developers who follow and those who decide to raise prices not because of rising maintenance costs but simply because a change in demographics. Eventually the hipsters, the artists etc... get priced out of these neighborhoods as well, though the ethnic whites and people of color tend to go first. So, to me its not about race because greed only sees green.
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Old 07-06-2011, 09:30 AM
 
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Eventually the hipsters, the artists etc... get priced out of these neighborhoods as well, though the ethnic whites and people of color tend to go first. So, to me its not about race because greed only sees green.
Amen.
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Old 07-06-2011, 09:35 AM
 
Location: Bridgeport, PA
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Gentrification is a good thing as long as it takes over areas with poor quality of life, high crime, and basically gets rid of the lower class completely.
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Old 07-06-2011, 09:41 AM
 
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Twist making money is the American way..and if developers are building and people are buying...why blame them? Life is about change..and alot of it you won't agree with or like. Developers have a right to make money as much as anyone else...and it sucks that *some* people have to move because of higher rents..but there are no guarantees in life and nobody said that when you move into an apt you are guaranteed to pay the rent that you can afford forever.

It isn't fair..but what is? I don't think gentrification solves anything..and it has in fact been going on for 50+++ years in NYC in one way or another, so it isn't anything new or unique to 2011 either.
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Old 07-06-2011, 09:50 AM
 
Location: Bronx, New York
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I always thought gentrification was about supply and demand. Folks choose to live in a fringe neighborhood due to cheap housing. Demand for cheap housing then increases. So what do landlords, homeowners and realtors do as a result? They raise prices to max out on profits as they can!
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