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Originally Posted by yourboy718
The CBX is a perfect example of putting city residents second. It was build at a time when the automobile was prioritized as the transportation mode of choice. It led to a decline in the value and subsequent decay of the surrounding neighborhoods. High rates of asthma and automobile traffic that leads to high levels of air pollution.
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Guess what?
The automobile is and continues to be, and will be the primary mode of transportation.
That is, unless you think it reality that you are going to pump a 16 wheeler bicycle cross country with a few tons of goods in your backpack.
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Of course now we know better. We know that method of travel is not sustainable and counter productive to city living. We know that greenspace comes at a premium and can change neighborhoods (e.i. The Highline).
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We know nothing of the sort. Until such time that we run out of gas (pun intended), trucks, trucks, trucks, are the grease of commerce. Green space is ONLY at a premium when the population decides to live on top one another like a pile of sardine cans. There isn't much green space in a can of sardines either.
Is sardine living the future? Or, is it dispersal of the population? Is unfettered immigration sustainable? Is unfettered populatiion growth sustainable? Is unfettered government spending sustainaable? Is continually raising taxes sustainable? Is The Bronx sustainable and/or viable, specifically the housing?
The CBX was primarily rammed thru working class neighborhoods of yesteryear. Today, working class employment is relatively non-existant, so what is the need for such housing? What is the need for the south bronx as it currently exists?
BTW, the Highline did not change anything!! It is change to the area which brought change to the Highline. A perfect example of the limits of your knowledge and lack of wisdom.
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We know that pedestrian and transit oriented development is the best way to go. It has been proven time and time again. Walkability leads to livability. This is why cities across the world are destroying their limited access roads in favor of public transit, greenspace, and mixed zoned residences. There are plans to remove the Sheridan and this could be the beginning of the end for these major city planning errors.
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Another example of the regurgitation of nonsense which many in this forum engage in.
An absolutely false preposition.
"Cities across the world...." unintelligent, unknowing and false. For such to be true, first there w/h to exist, all across the world, industrialized cities with auto focused transportation and a highway system riviling the USA, Germany and Japan. Preposterous notion.
Outside of Europe, no such transportation focus nor highway system exists. NONE! It is only in the recent decade (or two) that certain Asian nations are approaching the state of the USA at the turn of the 20th century!
Addittionally, the USA is the only 'suburban' oriented society, where the city centers served as work centers and the population lived surrounding the centers. The USA is also the only major power with its cities in decline, to the point which several, if not all, are no longer viable---think rustbelt cities created by proximity to resources and the old water/railroad transport system, e.g., Detroit, most Ohio cities, etc. Places no longer viable to the purpose of their creation, existence and previous growth.[/quote]
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I do not understand why you support maintaining this monstrosity so dearly.
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The reason you don't understand is that you do not have 'practical' knowledge, nor experience, and you are thinking far far too narrowly. ALL of your concerns are local and, with regard to the CBX, down to the neighborhood level, and also primarily regard 'lifestyle'.
There are greater concerns which you appear to be wholly unaware of and/or simply choose to ignore, as these greater concerns do not coincide with your lifestyle preferences.
As I have stated, this monstosity is one of the most vital roadways in the nation. The commerce of the nation, the tri-state and the city is carried by this roadway.
IT CANNOT and WILL NOT BE ELIMINATED.
Every imaginable good which supports life and business is dependant upon the CBX.
Your thinking is shorsighted and narrow.
Do you comprehend the need and purpose which the George Washington Bridge serves? The Triborough, The Throggs Neck, and The Whitesone?
Until you are so knowledgeable, you cannot comprehend the import of the CBX. If you do come to such a comprehension, you will realize that the roadway needs to and s/b rebuilt and expanded, AND at the (non-monetary) expense of the locals!
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You can often travel that length locally faster than you would sitting in traffic on it. Most of the local residents are without cars and would live to see the thing was dismantled.
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That may be so, but your thought is naive and unknowing.
The CBX was NOT built for the use and convenience of locals. So, their consideration is virtually regardless, as demonstrated by Moses.
The preferences of the locals does NOT supercde the needs of the Nation nor those of the tri-State region, and not those of the greater city. This is just the facts of life.
As I have already stated, the poor traffic conditions are a result of concessions made to neighborhood interests. If the highway had been properly built there w/b no cross streets. The CBX s/n have been built in a below grade pit, and s/n have been built w/o allowance for expansion.
The CBX' problems are due to concessions made to the locals. There s/h been greater political strength to do what was necessary.
Today, money, jobs, taxes, are being lost because of the inadequency of the CBX, in addition to similar poor conditions of many of the nation's other roadways. Surely you have read of the poor condition and the consequent economic defficiencies of the nation's infrastructure, present and future. Do you think NYC is somehow not apart of this? Jobs, taxes and growth are being sacraficed for lack of improvement and expansion of our infrastructure.
Are you so nonsensical as to think that so thought and labeled 'liveability' is of greater necessity than rebuilding and expanding the infrastruture of our nation and city? An infrastructure of vital importance which makes all things possible; and, w/o which the economic base provided by this roadway, and all infrastructure, nothing including any 'liveability' improvents cannot be afforded.
The removal of the CBX would destroy the economic base of the tri-state, damage the nation, and would literally starve Long Island. Also, in your shortsightedness, w/o the CBX prices would rise for goods and services, which would harm those least able to absorb the cost, a host of whom live in The South Bronx, in and around the CBX.
Grow, learn and expand your mind. Specifically, in regard to the economics of city and country, the knowledge of which it is more than apparent you are woefully lacking. Dreams cannot cannot become real in a vacum.
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Sorry I wanted to improve the situation for the residents along the CBX.
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That is a propagandist lie. Your own words in previous threads blie that.
What YOU want is too 'improve' things in the image of YOUR preference; and that image is one you would determine to YOUR interest and desire, which YOU would impose upon everyone irregardless of contrary opinion, fact and desire.
You are not interested in anyone's opinion but your own and those who may think as you. Please do recall your own words regarding "millenials" and that all others, in disagreement should "get out!". You have no regard for anyone else, nor for those who choose a different or contrary 'lifestyle'
You, like others of you ilk, 'Totalitarians', believe in public transport, and given power would compel and force ALL to cede to your all knowing wisdom. Such is the way of the Socialist, Communist, and Dictator.
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Maybe next time I will damn them like the rest of the metropolitan area. Instead of being so negative why not offer some positive ideas as to how we can remove this failed project and revitalize a neighborhood. Waiting for your ideas.
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First, I have given my ideas. Second, ideas are worthless if they are not and do not adress practicalities and realities.
Negativity? Sorry, selfishness, stupidness and propagandist nonsense should be slammed! I do not side with propagandist emotional nonsense such as positive and negative. I deal in facts and realities.
Again, fact and reality. The CBX is an immitable success, and is a victim of success and neglect! Any notion that it is not is stark stupididty!
Revitalization is a dream!
Jobs, places, people serve a purpose. When that purpose no longer exists, then such is NOT needed nor necessary. You cannot make something continue to be which has no purpose.
The notion of revitalization is a fallacy and all such efforts have failed and been wasteful, serving only the political needs of politicians, the majority of whom are liberal and progressive.
There can only be 'investment' in future demand. Investment can ONLY be successful when spent on that which will satisfy a given future demand. I will expand upon this in a different thread, but regarding the South Bronx, the purpose it served in previous generations no longer exists; and, the housing, as it exists, does not serve modern demands.
In any event, it would be appreciated if you w/b so kind as to apply your millenial wisdom to the problems and issue I have highlighted in this and my previous post.
Problem solvers are the ones that get things done, not dreamers.
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