Labor day weekend shootings..

[grigou]

Originally Posted by NewYorkBorn

There is a definite increase in crime in this city and not just shootings but robbery's too. Some of it is directly related to the bad economy......some people are becoming desperate!

A Frightening Walk Home For One Clinton Hill Woman: This Week's Police Blotter

Yes. You can scare yourself to death by reading 12 gruesome roberry stories and getting the impression that it's a jungle out there. It's a big city, crime happens, people in general are safe however. The media never mention the people who live in New York all their life and were never the victim of a serious crime.

[anon1]

And the reason is that even from 1975-1995 there were thousands of people that lived in the city and never experienced crime... Doesn't mean the city was safe for everyone... And also the news has no need to report what doesn't happen... wow...

Now the reason why the link Newyorkborn posted is interesting is not because of the 12 "gruesome crimes" posted but rather the neighborhood they took place in... These crimes took place in Fort Greene which has been touted as one of the best examples for gentrification and how it can work within a neighborhood... And little by little we are seeing areas that have been gentrified or somewhat gentrified either increase in crime as of late or continue what has already been a bad year for example what's been happening in Williamsburg especially along the East Williamsburg/Southside areas...

[SobroGuy]

Can it be that "gentrification" initially increases crime, as all the new transplants are perceived by the hustlers/criminals as easy targets? Also, these people are more likely to report a crime, which would in turn also increase the crime rate.

This doesn't mean necessarily that crime is going up in these communities, it could mean crime is actually going down but more of the crimes are being reported. Makes sense....but who knows.

[lovesMountains]

Originally Posted by grigou

In what kind of a dreamworld are you living?

Even in its worst year Mardi Gras with it's half million visitors saw about 6-7 shootings - certainly nothing compared to the high number you guys had in NYC last weekend. Not sure why stating that means I live in some kind of "dreamworld" We are talking about large groups of people congregating for festivals or parades, seems my analogy is valid.

[anon1]

@ sobroguy, gentrification has been going on for about a decade unless you've been living under a rock... where was the increase in the crime rate year in and year out within these neighborhoods? the crime rate within these precincts have only begun to increase as of late... Bushwick 2-3 years ago, was labeled the next Williamsburg... An area filled with hipsters and yuppies and an increasing art and music scene... 3 years later, those scenes are still there but you'd be hardpressed to find someone who still feels okay about moving into the area after the surge in crime these past two years... that wasn't the case before... Same goes for Southside Williamsburg... Los Sures were completely ignored a couple of years ago and the only area that people considered southside was by Grand St. close to the L... What has happened now? People have changed their tune saying that it has gentrified but you need to steer clear of x,y,z areas...

What i'm trying to get at is that the people moving in there haven't necesarily stopped coming in (though nowhere near the level they used to come in)... however that being said, these neighborhoods rather than continue the trend which goes against your point, have increased in crime way after this gentrification bug hit the city...

[YoungLove21]

I definitely enjoyed the oxtails and rice, sugar cane and a few nutcrackers!

And for the record, they will never cancel any parade. Never.

[grigou]

OK, Anon, let's break this down. New York City = A lot of people = crime happens. There is nothing more to it. You could write up a story like that with 12 handpicked incidents for literally EVERY FREAKING PRECINCT IN THE CITY and even the world. Why? Because EVERYWHERE CRIME CAN HAPPEN AND DOES HAPPEN regardless of neighborhood, transplants or not, gentrification or not, projects or not. In the case of New York IT HAPPENS LESS THAN TEN YEARS AGO. That's all there is to say.

What you do is zooming in on day to day crime stats and freaking out as soon as there are fluctuancions. Two stories about cops involved in crimes? That's a "recent trend" in your eyes. Is it a "recent trend" if you see two stories about rats biting people's toes on the platform?

What matters is the real trend, the big picture. And if you look at numbers crime goes down consistently. There are going to be days or weeks or even months where crime peaks and maybe even a year were crime exceeds the year before, but overall, if you look over ten, twenty years - it goes down. The rest is just everyday life fluctuations.

Remember at the beginning of the year? When everyone here was claiming that this summer was going to be off the charts in terms of murders? That the long and hard winter was the only reason murders weren't rampant? What happened? Nothing out of the ordinary.

I find your insistence that we're somehow slipping back to a world of doom and cataclisms very, very odd.

[SobroGuy]

Some people just get caught up in the day-to-day stuff..and there is no doubt if you are looking for a reason over the past 15 years, where crime has been dropping precipitously, you could have had all sorts of reasons /crimes in the paper to justify the "crime is out of control" and "crime is clearly rising" statements. But what was the reality? If you stepped back, you would have seen crime was in fact dropping, and continues to do so...sure there are ups and downs over the course of time, but the longer term trend is still a decline.

But people just want to believe whatever it is they want..and there is plenty of fodder for them to claim that "crime is rising" despite the fact that the longer term trend of a decline in crime is unchanged.

[grigou]

My point exactly